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Transcript of Conversation with Roger Elvick - October 24, 2001

** Hi just a quick question about yesterday in court with R** and also with K*, they are putting them through a psychiatric evaluation.  When they are required to go through that should they be talking and cooperating or stay mute?  Now R** said that is private information and now they said they are going to hold him for 90 days and put him through a whole psychiatric series and they will be doing other things, which I’m sure it is more just threat.

R: Well you see what they’re doing here.  It’s like they’re playing a football game.  Okay they are passing the ball or obligation from one to the other so he’s never able to exam that person.  They’re running it privately.  So when he’s addressing the court appointed attorney or whoever these guys are he’s to address the remedy immediately.

** Now he did tell them I want this account adjusted as my remedy…

R: He can’t tell them, he has got to stop telling them anything orally.

** Okay, I think it is also in writing too.  He’s been very good about being quiet.

R: But you see he needs to blanket it so that it covers all the possible carriers…  What they do… well it’s just like when the judge calls somebody to a side bar… well that’s a lateral.  He’s passing it off as a lateral because they are running the ball.

** Okay

R: And sometimes of course, they like to plant somebody down in the end zone and make the long pass, but a….

** Okay now we did put assignor and assignees on the papers…

R: Okay whom did you address it to?

** I’m not sure.  I think he put it to the prosecutor… Oh you know what happened?  I think I may have told you this before, but when R*j went to the court and handed it to the prosecutor, he read through it and handed it to the bailiff and R*j was just walking out of the court room after he gave it to him, anyway the bailiff came running behind him, grabbed his shirt and handed it back to him.  R*j didn’t take it so it just fell on the floor…

R: Yeah but he should have taken it and handed it right back to him.  Otherwise that’s a refusal.

** Oh, right that would be a refusal.  Well what happen was it fell on the R*j looked at it as they ‘dropped the charges’, but it would be a refusal instead!  Okay that resolves that misunderstanding.   Anyway some guy in the audience picked the paper up and the judge told him to take it out in the hall and throw it in the trash.  Well one of the guys from our group retrieved it from the trash,  so now R*j is going to accept if using all the language you told me the other day about the assignor and assignee and send it back to them.

R: Oh sure, the judge knows that’s a hot item.

** Right R*j said I want this out of our hands into his immediately.

R: Yep!  Yeah you see when the judge said “Throw it in the trash!”.  That’s where all the waste material of this country has gone.  It’s full of waste because they haven’t paid for the recycling.

** Oh cause we thought that it was a refuse or re-fuse, like when you put another fuse in something..

R: That’s what it is!

** Well we meant like they call trash refuse.

R: That’s what trash is!

** Okay than I guess we are in the right direction.

R: See that’s what the waste is off all these nuclear reactors are.  And that’s material that’s not been paid for….

** So that is stuff they’ve stolen from us!

R: Yeah and now it’s polluting the entire environment.  So what’s happened, well things happen link the World Trade Center.  It collapses on them by it’s own weight.

** Right!

R: Uhmm.  Well see when you’re addressing those people, these guys need to make the requests directly on the individual and that is going to include the guy who is going to take the exam. …and to include all of the holders.

** Whose is the guy that is going to take the exam is that R* or the guy administering it?

R: Where they are going to give him a mental evaluation…. Well that evaluator that is going to administer that exam is probably going to be a holder of that particular account or they are passing it to him.  So you see he needs to be included on there, that this request applies to all the assignors, assignees and the holders.

** An the holders!?  Okay…

R: Same being the internal trustees that are identified in HJR-192 and the subsequent bankruptcy proceedings they’re from.

** Okay because he is going to go back into court again tomorrow to see if he is going to have to go through this evaluation for the 90 days.

R: Yeah see the prosecutor is not the court appointed attorney.  What have they done on that?

** Now the prosecutor is basically has not been that active.  It is more the public defender that’s trying to… well now there have been two public defenders so far.  Anyway this public defender is very frustrated because she can’t get any cooperation out of any of them.  Then the other thing they keep doing is they want to know who are the people in the audience as witnesses.  They want to know what their business is in the Court Room.

R: It’s none of their business…

** Exactly

R: So the thing is, don’t serve it on the prosecutor, serve it on the public defender.  The request is made on that public defender.

** I think he had given the public defender all of the paper also.  I think when he’s made these papers out… well the one he prepared last night he was giving to the prosecutor and then he could do another one and serve that on the public defender for tomorrow.

R: And if they do, who ever serves that, leave the court room immediately so they don’t have access to try that same business they tried before.

** Oh right, he always does.  That’s why the bailiff had to run and catch him…. So just in case the thing is to just hand it right back to him.  Take it and then hand it right back!…

R: Yep… accept it and return it to them.  Stick it in their belly and drop it.

** Okay good.  We can do that.

R: This is so there is an acceptance and return.

** Now I have another question.  I don’t know if you’re familiar with the term Qui Tam?

R: Well I’ve seen it.  I’ve forgotten here what it is.

** Okay I’m going to read it out of Black’s Law Dictionary.  It say’s “Who as well ___.  An action brought by an informer under a statute which establishes a penalty for the commission or omission of a certain act and provides that the same shall be recoverable in a civil action.  Part of the penalty to go to any person who will bring such action and the remainder to the State or some other Institution is called a Qui Tam action.  Because the plaintiff sues, he sues as well for the State as for himself.”

R: Well that’s what they’re doing.

** Is they’re bringing a Qui Tam action?

R: Sure, that’s what they are doing.

** That’s what who is doing?

R:   The action that’s taking place against these guys.

** Oh you mean the state is suing on a qui tam.

R: The state isn’t doing it, somebody is doing it in the name of the State.  They’re doing it Qui Tam.

** The reason I bring this up is this gal I just talked to is doing a RICO action because she had a bunch of chickens taken and it was environmentalist.  They were saying that her chickens were involved in cock fights out in their area she was in and she was selling the roosters.  Anyway she has done a lot of research and a lady in Northern California who just won an action using RICO and now some attorneys want her to teach them about it.

R: Well you see it’s still the rules that are really in effect are the taking delivery.

** Is the taking delivery… right!  Oh you should also have the Corporation Book I sent you either tomorrow or the next day.  I sent it priority yesterday.

R: We got about 4 inches of snow etc… etc…chit chat

** One other little question… it might be a stupid question and I think I know the answer but just to be clear.  Nontransferable and non-negotiable are not the same are they?

R: Not really…

** Okay good!  I didn’t think so. When we put non transferable that means from agency to agency right and the non-negotiable on these instruments means you can’t negotiate for the product.

R: Right!

** Good.  Somebody tried to stump me this morning and my brain wasn’t in full function.

R: Well it’s nontransferable once we place it in their possession, but lets just say that when we give them a check, then you see they’ve got to charge the number and it’s an electronic funds transfer.  It transfers from the corporation to the treasury…. To your account in the treasury and than it goes to zero.  But you see the transfer that we’re taking about is they’re transferring within their own departments and they can’t prove ownership because there is no redemption.  Their transfers that they use here that do not wind up in any exchange.  See?  Exchange is used when it’s passed through a foreign border.  Say like from public to private.  That would mean from going from making a violent entry into your body.  See that’s what happened to Christ or Jesus on the cross when they run the spear into him…

** Oh pierced the body…

R: And it’s the same thing when they hang to docket in the courtroom they got a hook that they place the docket on the hook.  And the docket means they’ve got a ship at dock and they are unloading the goods.  But you see they’ve pierced the body… the body of what?  The strawman!  But you see the strawman isn’t always just a piece of paper… well I guess maybe it is but a lot of times you can’t prove who is there unless the physical body is there cause they’ve reduced it so we go into another phase which is a reflection.

** Meaning we have to cast a shadow?

R: Yeah… and the reflection, it speaks about that several times in the old testament and I’m sure if it’s in the first 5 books of the bible or not.  I don’t remember but I think the book of Numbers and Leviticus has accounts of that.  Basically it’s where you have the Israelites handling and traveling carrying the tabernacle along and when things are out in the desert it does speak of the reflections and the appearance of mirage.  It’s been so many years since I’ve read that thoroughly I don’t remember where they are off hand anymore.

** Okay, well this probably answers the questions to help us through tomorrow.

R: Okay so now you start to include when you request your release of your property, and that has to go to the court appointed attorney.  And that would be the public defender.  That request is going to him and his assignors, assignees and holders and I suppose internal trustee holders.

** Now should you just identify them like that or should you try to put peoples names in there also?

R: Well if you have the names you could add them I suppose…

** Put there names “and/or?”

R: Well I don’t know if you want to have or.  Just leave it with “and.”  You want it to read like they are all one.  You don’t want to make another distinction leave them as all one.  You see I think what you could also do is put all their names on an information.

** He’s already doing that as a “providing information” to the Secretary of State.  He’s already done that.

R: Has he put the copies with the stuff he’s served on them yet?

** I think so.

R: Okay so now that you’ve got the information…now you could draw the draft down through the Secretary of State.

** If they would provide any charges.  See they’ve not given any numbers out…

R: don’t make any difference.  They’ve had telephone calls, oral conversation… Just accept that and mark it.  There has been times here when I’ve had to just put a telephone number as the offer or the evidence of the offer.

** Oh, Okay.  Apparently they are just carrying on without them even having anything put there for public.  It is all going on behind the scenes….

R: Yes!  Yes!  But you see … Once this is reduced and you can reduce it to a statement of your own on a piece of paper.  Stating that this person having made an oral presentation offer and it is accepted.  If you’re ever called for evidence it can be laid in the hands of anybody to tell the court what it says.  Anybody can be an eye-witness if they’re called.    So you see that’s how you’d handle that.

** Okay!

R: So that along with the information, you stuff that in the envelope draft and than made payable to whoever is demanding payment, payable through, and then you name the Calif. Secretary of State and than down in the payable through then that’s where you put his real name.  See the title goes up at the Pay to the Order of:  ____ .  See these people are foreigners and now you see you’ve effected payment through the Sec of State.

** Okay

R: Now what I suggest that you do, you take the envelope and you make it out and you drop it in the Post Office.  Put a stamp on it but take a photo copy of it and lay it in the hands of that attorney (public defender).

** Put a postage stamp?

R: Yep.  Just let the post office mail it to the Secretary of State.

** Wonderful.

R: See I just put it …

**  Instead of putting it inside of another envelope you mail it with all the information showing?

R: Yeah I just fill it out.  Cause the address that’s going to be who ever it is payable to.  You really don’t care whom it goes to.   The first address on there is going to be payable to ---who’s the one bring the action?  The accusor?

** It would be an attorney.

R: Okay so that attorney would be the ‘Pay at Par’.  That’s the Payor Account.   See he’s ordered to pay at par and he’s ordered to pay to the Secretary of State and payable through Secretary of State.  The real Secretary of State.

** See the attorney that brought these charges on was because he did a draft payable through this attorney and so than that attorney turned the draft over to the sheriffs.

R: Okay so now you see he is going to have to get that down and run it through the Secretary of State.  See you are or have the information copies and just include those in the papers that go inside the envelope.

** Awe!  Then just put all the papers in there since it first started and mail it to the Secretary of State.  Cause he was sending in the UCC 3 of Providing Information and was waiting for that to come back and include that.  He was going to put it in the oversized envelope Registered Draft

R: Oh.  Oh yeah that was the information you mean?

** Right cause he was going to let them know that he’s provided the information to the Secretary of State and letting them know they don’t have a claim.

R: Yeah well see doesn’t have to wait or do any more.  Don’t worry about that here.  We’re binding their conscience.  We don’t care about the rest of it.

** Okay.  Cause I think he was holding off to get that back before he did the Registered Draft.

R: He didn’t have to wait.  It’s a matter of conscience.  Just keep moving.

** Good because we don’t want R* to break down if he thinks he’s there for 90 days.  He thought it would be easy enough for 30 days but 90 seems pretty long….

R: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!  But you see the request can go to that attorney, either have the charges dropped or make the return as ordered… Immediately!  And you know how to address it now.

** Right!  Okay this helps a lot.

R: Yeah, just get that attorney served.

** Tomorrow is looking kind of spooky because that is kind of a turning point.

R: You push them here because the Secretary of State.  See he’s a foreign agent.  The Secretary of State here when they don’t provide you with the name of the registered agents, the Secretary of State is the registered agent for the foreigners.  So that’s what you’re doing.  Your making it payable through there.  And now you see, that attorney now if he doesn’t square off with the Secretary of State, than the Secretary of State reports him to the Dept of Revenue and now he gets recognized as a Tax Fugitive.

** Oh so that sets him up with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of State has to do that?

R: Oh Yeah!

** This will give us the right direction for tomorrow.  Thanks again … we appreciate you!!!

End of conversation