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Credo Mutwa Reptilians


March 29, 2002 Transcript of
conversation with Roger Elvick
***   N E W   P R O C E D U R E   ***

** Oh Hi, Welcome back!… did you have a good trip?

R: Yeah…yeah…yeah

** Get a lot resolved?

R: Oh I don’t know.  These guys they all got things they’re doing and we just answer the questions and they get off doing it when I’m gone so I don’t know.

** Okay.  You basically didn’t get any information from them?

R: Not a whole lot at this point.   There is always little things that come up but I guess it won’t come out unless we’re working on ‘em.  It’ll come out… you remember, then you go “Oh that’s what he was talking about …”

** Oh that sounds familiar.  That’s what happens to us after we talk to you… (chuckles)… what goes around comes around… (more laughter)

R: yeah … yeah

** Well I have somewhat of an emergency!

R: Ooohhh??

** We got a guy who became homeless because the apt. bldg he paid his rent to dishonored and they threw him out.  Anyway he had some stuff stored at a friends business.  On Saturday night him and another guy plus the owner of the business went to get his storage material.  Loaded it in the car and apparently the driver made an illegal turn and the cops pulled him over, saw a weapon in the car, dramatized the scene with other cops, helicopters, etc.  Anyway the long and short of the problem is he is now in custody and they are pulling up all kind of other things that he has done… his profile in other words.  He did go in and ask the judge, when the judge asked his name, if he had the charging instrument…  Anyway the judge wasn’t responsive and he is being held for $60,000 I think it is total but it may be for various charges… not sure.  He has been calling me and I’m not sure what to tell him.  He has pretty much been standing mute.  Now I think they’ve got a public defender assigned to him.

R: Okay… well.  Oh---  Who assigned it?

** Well I’m not sure, I think the judge.  A public defender did come down to the jail and he talked to him.  He said something like, “M** I think you need a public defender if you want to talk to me.”

R: Well I’m not sure he can get the bond through him like I did the states attorney.  But you see when … see he sent these warrants and I’m not even sure they were warrants.  He writes me a letter, the states attorney does, and tells me that he’s charging me with a misdemeanor …

** Was that your check that he claimed was written on ‘no account’?

R: Yeah… and you see this thing read real cute.  You have to read real close.  It stated something to the effect that he was charging me for the issue of a draft or check written without an account.  Then he sites the statute on which he was relying and he is issuing a warrant.  Well you see that came off the top of his desk.  There wasn’t anything else involved.  So he’s the one who wrote the warrant without an account.  Okay so that’s actually what that charge is.

** Oh I get it.

R: Well then later on you see, when I didn’t appear up there cause it was a long ways for me to go and he didn’t make it imperative that I be there.  It just stated you can appear on such and such date at this court if you would.   So it being a class A misdemeanor.

** And he probably has the attitude that he’s going to get you either way…

R: Probably but you see I’m out of state and he couldn’t go outside of the county with the warrant he had.  Even if he gets a bench warrant he can’t come outside the state.  He hasn’t got an extraditable offense.

** Now where was your property?… it wasn’t in Minnesota?

R: No….no it was up in North Dakota.  So anyway what happened I let the 10 days run out.  See that’s basically the same as a 10 day letter.  Those warrants are only good for about 10 days.

** From what I understand, all warrants are only good for 10 days.

R: Yeah, but see when the 10 days run out that’s the day he went in and went before the judge and got a failure to appear bench warrant.   Now you see it’s not voluntary.  But you see the whole thing is based on appearance.

** Oh… okay.

R: So that’s what this guy needs, he needs an appearance bond.  So now here’s what happens.  I got up there the following week and I figured they are going to try to move on this in some way, but I wasn’t clear in my mind on how I was going to tie into them.  I knew I wanted to tie into them because I want to get this deal settled.

** Right!

R: So I went up to a funeral and after the funeral they invited me down to a local bar and as soon as I went into the bar the whole street filled with squad cars.  It was a set up.  So then we just proceeded.  I just really submitted to the arrest without any games because I knew at that point when I was talking to the arresting officer it was a special team sent in from the state on the criminal apprehension division.  See because the guys in the county don’t have the ability to serve a warrant like that.

** Wow….

R: See they do a lot of implied things here when they don’t have a lot of authority to start with, especially when it’s based on a misdemeanor.

** Intimidation.

R: Well it’s the implied this and the implied that.  You listen real close now because this is what we’ve been lacking all along.  All of this offer and acceptance and return balances only one side of the account.  We had someone out east the federal judge told this lady that.  He said you had done that successfully but you only balanced one side of the account.  See by the time that news got back to me I already knew why because of the incident that I ran into.

** Oh… okay

R: So now what we’re coming up to is the balance of other side of the account now.

** Great.  So the one side of the account is basically the creditors and now we have to work at balancing the debtors?

R: Yes.  See one of them is the murder and the other one is the thief.

** Right.  Okay

R: Anyway.  They take me up … this is Saturday night so they take me up to the regional correctional and it’s out of the county it’s in the next county.  What these are, are basically tax districts.

** Okay.  So this is all in North Dakota?

R: Yeah.  And you see the warrant is coming out of the district court.  So it’s a tax district!  So now I’m in there and it’s Saturday night and kind a the way things are it would put a lot of people out for me to jump out of there right away so I said just let it sit here until Monday morning.  It was comfortable enough for me and I get a chance to sort my thoughts out without having anybody interrupt me.  So Monday morning….ah

** Most people would want out immediately.

R: Yeah.  Anyway when they arrested me I took the warrant and looked at it and the guy standing there kept saying, “Is that you, is that you, is that you?”  I just don’t answer him.  I take the papers, look at them so everyone around there can see that I’ve accepted them and that’s what I told him.  I said, “I accept these and now I’m returning them to you.” And handed them back to him… all of them.  Okay so then they tried to give them to me again when I got to the jail and I told the guy, “I’ve made my return, and you are to return those to the fellow that gave them to me.”  So they didn’t try it anymore they took it.  There wasn’t any rough stuff.  … Oh yeah and then at the jail here’s one of the keys.  - When they’re booking me in and I noticed that the states attorney’s had used another address, an old address and I thought he had no reason to use an old address when he had all the new ones on my checks and everything.

** Okay.

R: So he was using the old route and box number for address rather than the new street address.

** That’s right cause you tried to resolve something else from that over a year or so ago.

R: Oh yes and that’s what I see they were doing.  So when they were booking me in I see that address showing up on what I saw on the booking.   I told him, that’s the wrong address and I started to tell him what it was and he said, “Well that’s the same place.” I said, “no, this has to be changed.  This has to do with one of the reasons I am here.”   So then he  backed it out and I gave him the address correction.

** Okay the Address Correction!

R: Correction… so now that’s what we need to put on these parcels and I’ll give you that later too.

** Okay.

R: Now when the address correction is made so now they then take them…aah… well I’m not sure where they took them.

** Were they trying to hold you on more than one thing?

R: No, well there were two check charges.  Two checks and two different check charges.   The reason there were two of them was one of them was to the city and the other was to the county.

** I see.  Both of them though were for the taxes?

R: Yep!  Actually there were nine of them.  All total.  Seven or eight on one and only one on the other one.  Only one pertained to the city and the rest to the county.  But then you see they never said boo about is that I had given the county treasurer, (the person’s name).  See the other’s I had made out to the county treasurer but this one I made out to Jean Miller.

** Who is the city clerk?

R: No she’s the county treasurer, but I made it out to her personally cause the other was written out to the title, the other seven.  But I wrote this one to her to cover all the others as a supersedeas because of her disability in her title.  I wrote this to her personally.   Okay and the states attorney when he said there was a fine on the other two…. The first complaints that he gave to me, was a $1,000 fine on each of them, I gave him two $2,000 checks and there was not one boo said about any of those three.

** Now was the supersedeas bond the total of all the others?

R: Yeah!  See I did that as an after thought.  I thought that when she didn’t act on anything right away then I fired the other check in.

** Okay

R: Now I’m all set so Monday morning during the time when most people are going to trial, see the county that I came from we weren’t set to see the judge or anything until the following day.

** They bring in the judges or do they take you there?

R: No we just have it on the phone…  Like a conference call.  And if you’re from a different county they just dispatch a squad car and haul you down to the courthouse.   Usually for this, for me, it was just a telephone.  So the states attorney calls me and I hadn’t talked to him in 20 years.

** So you knew him?

R: Oh hell I knew him good.  He went to school with my wife.  We all graduated from high school about the same time.   I was a few years ahead and he was a couple of years later.  He was just in the next town and the towns are only about 12 miles apart.

** Interesting.

R: So anyway he calls me and we get through our cordialities and then he says, “Roger, we’ll get you out of here right shortly”.  Oh he said, “We kind of need to talk before we go or actually get before the judge.”   Then the judge came on and he said, “We’ll have to dispose of the conversation. We’ll talk later.”   He indicated that he wanted to talk to me before we got into any formal proceedings, so I knew he wanted to make a deal.

** What was his title again?

R: County attorney or states attorney.  They actually represent the state within the county.
So then he gets the judge on the phone and we get the introductions done and this is a conference call.  The judge asks me then, “What do you want from this.”  I said, “What I want is:  I’ve accepted the process, have returned and want closure and I do not anticipate disputing any of the facts.”

** Okay now was it okay that you say or read it versus him reading any of your statements to her?

R: Well I don’t think at this point it really matters….

** Cause it was informal like in a star chamber…?

R: Well it was informal.  He said, “Roger is charged with this and bla bla bla.”    When I told her that I don’t plan to dispute any of the facts and I also told the states attorney when he first called.  I told him, “I don’t plan to dispute any of the facts in the charges.”   So that’s why he told her very softly, and I told her this is what I wanted for the remedy.  Well then she said, “What do you want to do about the bond?”   I said, “I want to request an appearance bond without cost to me and in the event that it is refused, I’ll use the refusal as a dishonor to charge an involuntary bankruptcy petition in the bankruptcy court for closure and discharge.”

** Umhum

R: Then she says, “Well I can’t do.  Oh before that right before about the time I was saying that the states attorney interrupted.  He interrupted and said, “Oh Karen (judges first name), Mr. E** has been trained in some law in areas you’re not familiar with.”

** Yeah… laughter

R: Well he wanted to put an end to the conversation.  He didn’t want to show how obvious it was.  Then he said, “I think we can let Mr. E* out on PR.  (personal recognizance)

** Oh he was trying to soften up the cover up the courts are in?

R: Right.  He said if Mr. E would agree to a $5,000 PR why I think that we could do that.  I’ve known him for all these years and I’m sure there wouldn’t be any problems with him living within the terms of that.    Then he turned to me and asked if I’d sign that and I said, “sure, go ahead.”  But then she told me that she could not do the discharge over the phone.  She said, “I can’t do it there, I know what you want.”   She was thinking I was asking for it right now immediately.  And really I could have handled that to.  She said, “I can’t do that unless you come before me.  I know what you want but can’t do it unless you are here before me.”  Then they set the time for the following Monday.   She said, “ I’ll have the clerk type up the bond, fax it over there, you sign it and you’re out of there.”    So that’s what happened.

** So did you go back before her the following Monday?

R: Sure.  Oh yeah.  I went on my trip and when I came back I had enough time to talk to the states attorney.  I tried to get hold of him the day I got back but he wasn’t around.  He wasn’t home and he wasn’t in his office, nobody knew where he was.  So what I did, I called his house later that night and he was home and he said just come up to the courthouse 15 minutes early.  Before we get going, we can go over things.   So that’s what I did and when I went up to the courthouse I went up to chambers to see him.  He said, “Well how do you want to handle this?”  I said, T** I want the deal done NOW!  I’m sick and tired of it for my family and everything.  I want it done.”  Well anyway he says, “This is the way it is.”  So he spells out all the terms that he wants me to live with.  Okay that means I can’t contact any of the officials in the county anymore and he shows me a list of all these people that I’ve been in confrontation with over the years.  The whole list ---it goes back 25 years.

** Laughter …that’s quite a diary!

R: Umhum, and I’m glad he’s got them all on there and I can see he’s bringing all that in there.  He kind of showed it to me and I said, “yeah that’s okay.  I understand that.”  I said, “I want a done deal.” And so he then said, “Well these are the charges and if I violate any of those there’s a year’s imprisonment so there’s two years to run consecutive.”  But he was trying for three years restraining order.  Well when he got in the courtroom the judge wouldn’t let him do it.  It was just two years then all on my own recognizance so I’m the supervisor of the probation.  Okay, but that is the deal.  But you see when you take a close look at it there isn’t any real restrictions in there.  When he then finished and said I can’t contact any of these people and bla bla bla.  I said, “T** can you do something about my personal property?  There is some of my personal property in the hands of those people.”  Well then he agreed that he would approach them on my personal property.  Then he said, “Well if you have other things that you need legal deals and stuff you can do them through me in the county.”  So he’ll, …

** Yeah you got yourself your own public servant at your beck and call.  Cheap attorney.

R: Yeah, yeah… all the way.  So, there’s no restrictions.  I couldn’t believe how easy this was going.  Then I hike into the courtroom and when it was my turn for the call I give her my name, she asked for it and I give it to her.  Then she started to announce why we were there and I just turned to her and I turned to T** and I said, “I’ve got an agreement with T**”.  I just wanted to let her know I have a contract with him.

** Oh you let the judge know you’ve got the contract with him?  That you’ve accepted everything?

R: Yeah, yeah.  So he gets up and blasts everything, you know all the terms of the judgment and we talk about it and bla bla bla and she asks me if I agree with it and I say “yes”.  Then we go over that and she’s asking me then if … Oh!  when we got into the charges on the check and she was reading the charges and if I understood them precisely as they were written on the complaint.  Then she’s reading and said I was charged for issuing a check or draft without an account.  Okay?  But it didn’t say I issued it.  That’s the one I was telling you the language was such that he’s the one that did it.

** Yeah it sounds like he issued a warrant without an order.

R: Right.  That’s how come it was worded that way.  See what I told her was “mine doesn’t read that way.”  What I was doing was reading the language off the warrant itself instead of the complaint.   So I engaged her in discussion so it would go on the court record.  I said, “Well mine reads:  Charge for issuing a check on an account closed.”  Well that said it the other one didn’t.  The other one said what the states attorney did this one said what I did.  Okay?

**  Okay!

R: Anyway she’s filling out a spreadsheet up there.  She’s constantly making check notes so then she gets on to the next question and then she starts to quiz me about the bank account.  She said, “When was this account closed?”  Of course the states attorney jumps up and already had the dates and everything and he says what it is and then she asked me how was it closed and who closed it.  She asked, “Did the bank close it?”  I told her, “Yeah the collector of the bank closed it.”  She said, “Well how did they do that?”  I said, “She wrote me a letter and I got certified mail from the collector of the bank saying they were closing the account.”  Then a couple of days after that I got another letter and I think that was a certified letter from the collector of the bank and they told me to mail in all my unused checks and I’m still doing it.

** Oh that’s right.  I remember that.

R: She didn’t blink an eye when I was telling her that.  Then she says, “Do you have any other activities over there at that bank?”  “Well”, I said, “Not any more than the internal account of this account is still there and you can only access it electronically.”  She said, “Okay”. And marks it all down.  Then she goes on to ask me if I understand these charges and bla bla bla.  She’s getting ready for the conclusion.  So I said, “I’m not going to dispute any of the facts.”  “Does that mean a guilty plea?”  She starts to get persistent now.  I said, “Yes it’s a guilty plea.”  So she raises the hammer and she says, “The bond is discharged!”  and BANG.  Well I’d never heard anything like that before.  She said the bond is discharged and slammed the hammer down.

** Wow.  In other words the guilty plea means there’s charges and you’ve accepted all the charges and now the ….

R: Yeah and the bond sweeps them all aside… They are gone.  Cause I asked her then.  I asked her, “Does that mean I’m to leave this court with anything regarding this bond or something to that affect?”  She said, “The bond is discharged.  It’s gone.  It’s finished. Ab initio (from the beginning)
So that swept all the criminal charges aside.

** That’s wonderful.  What’s going to happen?  You paid the taxes on the property now that the checks were good.

R: Well you see the correction of the address, name and address are on the account now.

** On the account on the taxes?

R: On the account of everything that is in that case.

** Okay.

R: So what happens… Now that the account has been discharged, now that account reverses the polarity on it…on the county.   Now I’m sure what’s going to happen when those people write their checks to pay their taxes, there is going to be two things.  One their going to admit they don’t have any equity or the county is going to have to balance the account again and write me a check for like amount.

** That is so interesting!  What they are doing around here is when people pay their property taxes with the closed account it shows PAID but then they reverse it.  Also they are not even notifying these people that they are reversing it or telling them the check was drawn on a closed account.

R: But there is not money.  They’re still going to have to prosecute it.  You see the reason and this is what I wanted to talk to you about.  This is where I think some of the errors are.  When we’ve gone in to get the billing information and they’ve given it to us.  You see, they’ve printed it out and given you what we think is the bill.  But that’s really not it.  Now I did get a bill from where I use to live on my house in town.  I went in there and they said, “We don’t give the bills.”  But then she said, “If you’ll give me a dollar I’ll put you on the mailing list.”  Then she had to have my name and address so she took that down from my name and address.  I handed her my check book and she took that over to her computer and typed it.  Three days later I had the bill at home and it comes just like the bill you get if you were living at the property.  Except it did have a blue stamp on it that said DUPLICATE.  Otherwise it is all the same.  Had NCR paper on the back and on the NCR paper on the back you could fill in your address and corrections and so on.  For the first half and the 2nd half.  There are two places to do it and I did it on both of them.

** Oh okay!

R: I sent my check in with it and I got a receipt back signed by both the county treasurer and the auditor.  The county auditor.

** Yeah people are getting receipts but then they switch it back.

R: Well that’s okay.  That’s okay.  See what’s happening in how they handled it with us.

** Here’s another thing that is going on to.  There is this lady who is in foreclosure and she paid her mortgage with private account and her property taxes, plus I think she also did an address correction.  Anyway she had the account zeroed, also had the reconveyance and then they reversed it and are still trying to foreclose.    She’s got a reconveyance that is in her name and everything.

R: Okay what I think we are going to have to do just what I just did and told you about.

** You mean the change of address.

R: Okay let me tell you what I did when I got out of the jail then.  That’ll tell you.  My friend, had to come and pick me up and while we were in town we got to talking and decided to go up to the courthouse.  We had a little time cause the courthouse was still open.  The states attorney that use to be states attorney in my county and the one that was responsible for starting all this trouble.  He lives in the particular town where I was jailed but he isn’t a states attorney anymore he’s a securities broker at a bank in town.

** Is T* the guy that was in court with you?  Was he the old time friend.

R: No it was T* P*

** Oh okay.  Yes I know T*.   Gotcha.  Too many names with T.

R: Well anyway this was about an hour after I got out of jail.  It was nice and sunny in there, nobody there.  The lady comes over to the counter smiling and she says, “I’ll bet you’re going to give me a check today.”  That had nothing to do with what we’re doing.  This time of the year that’s what people are doing… they are paying their taxes.  I said, “Well I’d like to but I left my check book at home so we’re just going to have to do the next best thing.”  I saw a tablet on the counter so I took a page off it and wrote down the name of the guy down on it.   I said, “I need the parcel numbers of all the parcels that this guy is paying taxes on.”  She took it and put it in the computer and came back and said, “There is nothing showing up under this name.”  “Oh” I said, “Well I know he owns a house in town so it must be under someone else’s name.   She said, “You are right, I know his wife personally and it is under her name, do you want that?”

** (Chuckles…)   The sun was shinning in there that day.

R: Yeah, yeah, that’ll do!  So she prints it out and brings it over and said, “Now here’s the parcel number and the description of the property.”  That’s all that shows in the print out that she was giving me.  I said, “Yep that’s the one.  Now I need the supplemental tax bill so I need to get on the mailing list so however you have to do it.”  So she goes over to the counter to the pad that I ripped the sheet off and she throws the whole pad over to me and says, “Just give me your name and address.”  She walked back over to the computer and printed out all the information that we’ve been getting as a bill, but that’s not the bill.  She gave that to me but she took my name and put it on the list.   She just stapled the other stuff together and gave it to me.  When she was doing that and getting ready to leave I made a parting statement, “Well since those twin towers went down we’ve got to have a real living principal on the account now.”  She commented back, “Yes that’s right.”

** Wow that is exciting.

R: So now we just leave those things alone now.  I think that if we get the bill sent to us we need to just send the bill to whoever is holding title on the property over to them and tell them they need to pay the taxes.  I think that when they pay them it is going to throw the account out of whack.  The county is then going to have to balance their books by sending you a check or they are going to have to rule them out of the equity and the bank rolls are going to go off the property or they are going to get demand notes immediately.  That interferes with the levy that the banks rely on to keep their mortgages on the property.

** I’ll tell you what.  My friend lost her house simple because she wasn’t paying the property tax because in California you can go five years before you are threatened with the tax foreclosure and usually people sold before that happened.  But the lender sent her a notice that if she didn’t pay not only the back taxes but had to pay impounds in advance and of course that was thousands she couldn’t come up with because the real estate market was bad so the bank took the house.  For taxes cause her payments were current.

R: Yep.  It has to do with this tax levy.  The bank has to have a working arrangements with you and you have to keep up your payments or they can’t attach it to the property.  Because if my name is on there as the principal now these people are going to have to service their loans.  But I also think that if they are servicing their loans and based on my property and I haven’t run them out of their yet.  If they’ve got a bank mortgage then the bank is going to have to give me the funds that they would normally give to Freddie Mac or who ever.

** Now are you putting your name on there as the principal or just your name and address?

R: Just putting my name on there as the address correction.

** Okay.

R: Okay!   That means that I did it.  But you see the other people don’t have the foundation that I do because theirs is based in assumptions and mine is based in fact.  More than that I’ve got a discharge and I’ve got a deal with the states attorney that he has agreed that he is going to go and pursue my personal property for me.  Well as soon as I got out of there I returned the judgment and let him know that is my personal property.   Personally.  I’m not doing it through a public official.  I sent it to his home residence.

** So you sent it to his house?  Oh have you had a chance to talk to J* about the situation of C* with the judges house?

R: Yeah I just talked to J* a couple hours ago.

** Good!  That whole thing was pretty interesting.  Oh another thing we were wondering about is when people go in to court and they want to know your name if they were to show their drivers license and ask the bailiff to read it would that be the same as the eye witness.  Or do we need to worry about not being the strawman any more?

R: Well it depends on what kind of situation you’re in.  I’d have to think about it a bit.

** Now back to the guy in jail then.  So he’s going to be calling me with what to do so I should tell him…

R: Request an appearance bond to enable him to make the plea and for closure of this account.  Soon as he tells the judge this, the judge knows what he wants.

** Okay good.

R: He wants closure.  He needs the appearance bond to enable him to plead to the charge.  That’s all he needs to tell them is he needs the appearance bond to plead and if you people don’t provide me with the bond you have no charges.

** Okay.

R: No he wants an appearance bond and he wants a PR.  Personal recognizance without cost to him.  Okay so if they are going to tell him that he can’t have it then you see he can just tell them “Then I’ll accept your dishonor and us the dishonor to charge an involuntary bankruptcy petition for closure and discharge of the bond.

** Now when he was in court the other day and he did ask the name etc and then when they were dragging him out of court he bellowed out that he accepted the charges of the court and wants the order of the court to be released to him.  What will that do against him?  By him having the ability to have dialogue … that might be easier.

R: In this environment he is because they are bringing him forward on a criminal charge for a plea.  See they are going to arraign him.

** Well now they have him in the psychiatric ward for evaluation.

R: Okay then now the first chance he gets that’s what he nails them for.  He lets them know he is not going to dispute the facts or doesn’t plan to dispute any of the facts and he request an appearance bond to enable him to plea to the charge.

** Humhum Okay

R: Remember those words.  That’ll reveal to him and when he tells them that’ll reveal to the judge that he better be careful now.

** Okay cause I know that R* when he was doing this they just rolled over him so that must have been just for one side of the account.  If he gets out this next week does that mean he’s just settled one side of the account?

R: That’s right.  Yeah.

** Even if he’s done time served and accepted everything do you think that will be both sides?

R: Probably.  I don’t know.  I don’t want to be distracted from where we are with this good of what we’ve got with the fellow we’re talking about.  He needs that appearance bond an if they start to say, “Well how you going to pay it?”   Well you just tell them that I’m going to request the bond without cost and that you waive the fees on my own PR.

** Okay

R: Then of course that’s all you’re going to be able to get across to him if it goes haywire and they want to dispute him and obstruct him then he can just say, “Well I’ll accept the dishonor and use the dishonor to charge the involuntary bankruptcy for closure and discharge.”  Yeah if you did that and charged and involuntary bankruptcy petition then you’d find a judge coming on there pretty quick and you’d find an order from a judge “Account Closed”.

** Humhumm  got it.

R: Okay that’s a judges order.  That judge’s signature covers anything in the action.

** Wonderful.  Thank you so much and that is probably him calling now.  Thanks again.