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Shared conversations from Canada -  
Roger Elvick Transcript - April 24, 2002
 


This is some wonderful information.  Great study material and many, many concepts in one long conversation.  It has been highlighted (bold) and underlined for your study convenience.  Enjoy!

Conversation going on between two males talking   M1 in Canada and M2 in Japan… conversation
M1 and M2 and Roger
M1: Let me try Roger again.
R: Hello -
M1: R*… (M1) here!  I got M2 on the line here too.  We’re just discussing this new bond stuff which I haven’t had an opportunity to watch on the video. I should of got busy over the weekend and done it but I didn’t.
M2: Good evening there.  Before we get into the bond issue I would just like to go over a few points that I made discovery of since our last communication.
R: Yeah
M2: Okay I’ve got 3 accounts now out of Hawaii.  One of the accounts is an 8 digit placement which makes it federal district.  2 of the accounts are 10 digit placements positions, which means it comes out of the public side.  Now I’d like to run a little theory past you.  The county of Oahu is the island know as Oahu but it’s also known as the County of Oahu.  Now I’ve made a theoretical position here.  When the Japanese dropped the bombs on Pearl Harbor that was the initiation of a chemical communication.  When the United States Government retaliated with the atomic energy with infusion infisson that was the initiation of the atomic.  You know as well as I do that Hawaii is kind of a bastard state in the sense that it is a pure equity because it’s an island and I think that it’s very imperative and important hinge pin for tapping the international markets for foreign aide which is what they used to get into Japan.  I’m in a preliminary position… I’ve got all my checks here.  I have checks in my new name as B** and I have checks in my old name as currently in Victoria they are suppose to be dispatched to me.   Now when I was in Hawaii I picked up the Honolulu Advertiser and took a look at the For Sale listings of properties.   The first one we went to was a penthouse suite about 3 blocks from the ocean in Waikiki Beach.  And I said, “How much for the something right at the water front?”  He said 5 or 10 million.  I said, “I’d like to look at it.”  So the next day we did.  We went to what’s called the Waikiki Land Mart.  Now one of the things I’d like to put into this.  According to the feng shui and fortune tellers this is an exceptionally potent piece of property as far as energy goes.  We’ve had the thing shui done.  (feng shui is Orential placement of furniture, doors, windows to get the correct flow of energy)  Both while we were in the building and we’ve since had it checked with 3 masters here two in Tokyo and one in Canada, which is the Osaka neighborhood.  Now we went, we took a look at the building, we took a look at the apartments.  They were five or six million dollars.  We said, “Fine, we’ll take them.”  The person who is representing Coldwell Banker was just the agent, senior man there said, “Well you’ll have to give us your offer.”  I said, “Well here’s me.  How about the newspaper, what’s that?”  He said, “That’s the Honolulu Advertiser.”  I said, “Great!… What’s this?”
“Well that’s advertisement for the Waikiki Land Mart penthouse suite.”  I said, “Correct!”…
R: Yeah but ..
M2: “…You make the offer, we accept the offer.  How long will it take you to put together a  firm offer?”  They started dancing around again.  I turned to the other man and I said, “Are you going to handle this, or am I going to handle this?”  I said, “We will not put in an offer to you.  You have made a legal position by making this an offer for sale.  We accept that position.  You’ll have full settlement of account once we receive the following information.  I require from you:  A firm offer;  I require from you a parcel identification descriptor, information from your land registry.  I also require from you the public assessment on taxes, due and payable in 2002 and I also require from you a copy of the tax bill. Can you do that?… Yes or No?”  He said, “Yea.”  Which is good.  I told him, “I will communicate with you.  I do not use the computer and I will contact you as a phone call as to let you know when I will be posting mail to you and you will in turn post it back to me.”   Now keep in mind here R*, there’s three very interesting positions.  The architect and general contractor for the building, this is a fairly new building, built in 1993 officially is in bankruptcy mode.  He has applied for bankruptcy….
R: That’s okay…
M2: … which goes back to your theory that it’s the General Contactor that gets stuck with the hook.   Number two position here is that this has a very interesting position is that the building is fee simple owned by one of the power families on the island but the apartments are considered leasehold.  Number three position is that there is a new statute law that has come into place and basically what it is forcing those who have lease hold position offering and offering lease hold agreements to tenants.  They are now being forced through statute law to convert all those properties into fee simple.  Now you and I know those are simply bs positions cause they’re not true equity positions.  Now there’s five penthouse  suites that we were looking at to buy and approximately 16 other suites that are open.  The building has 196 suites.  It has 21 “commercial” suite on the bottom two floors.  And it is a power family by the name of Ching that owns the building fee simple and it is a group that owns “right to release” the leasehold agreement and in 1997 a 155 million dollar mortgage was bought by this group for 50 million dollars and they’re the ones that hold the lease agreement which are currently running to the year 2013 wherein the 50 year program will come to an end and they have to re-negotiate it but the position here is that the family is going to turn it into fee simple.  Now in the back ground, keep in mind there is a fellow who showed up on the islands in the late 80’s and early 90’s and rented a white limo and drove around picking up properties.  He had two fellows in the car and a trunk full of cash and he just said, “I like that house, how much?”  They’d give him a price and if they weren’t will to sell it then he’d just double the price….and pay for it on the spot.  He bought 1.3 billion dollars worth of property between California and Hawaii….
R: Oh he’s a drug dealer…
M2: ..in the early 80’s.  He started a big transit job and he’s buying in Hawaii.  Now recently, about 3 months ago he had made a decision to sell his 842 properties so he could invest in another position.  He had his attorneys go over the “legal statutes” that he had to give 30 days notice on these properties he’s held for 10 or 11 years and the governor of Calif. and the governor of Hawaii and the Chambers of Commerce were all up in arms.  They jumped on the Japanese and said, “You gotta tell this guy he can’t do this.”  So he changed his position.  He’s now giving them an extra 120 days.  What makes this gentlemen very interesting is the typical billionaire he deals strictly in cash, doesn’t use banks, so he’s very difficult to track and trace.  He’s putting his properties on the market as a lump sum position.  Now the reason I bring that in here is that the Hawaiian economy requires, in order for them to stay stable, Japanese influence.  Without the Japanese influence they’re as good as the sub-Sahara as far as economics go.  Now I’ve also looked into where the courthouses are.  I’ve looked into the Capitol building and I’ve looked into a number of other positions here.  The reason I give you this information is that what comes to me through the intuitive impulse I’ve already made contact with the county treasurer.  I didn’t get their name but I did get their street address as well as their postal address at the mailbox level and I also got what they can do for me.  I said, “I’m looking at property.  I would like the following:  I need the parcel number, the property assessment and I need the tax bill which I believe you call the supplemental bills.  They in turn agreed with that I did have the correct terminology and that they would do two properties for free … anything after that would be a charge of something like $47.50 an hour but it would be done in 15 minute increments.
R: $47.50 an hour?…
M2: It’s about that… maybe $47 per hour….
R: Well that kinda bothers me in a way.  They might be trying to route you into the hands of an attorney.  … legal council.
M2: No they said that fee was for the employees who had to do the work.  The bill is sent by the Treasury Department.
R: Oh!  Okay well then that’s no problem.  I did one of those over here and I paid them.  But I only paid them $1.00.  They went ahead and were good to their word.
M2: Well that’s what I have to the moment, but I wanted to canvas with you the concept of should I at this particular point get the parcel assessment and tax bills for the courthouses and for the Capitol Building?
R: Well it might be all right, being you going into a property that costly…. Because… you see when they do the tax assessment.  See the tax assessments are of course just on the property, but then all of the money that it costs to build those public buildings, they’ll just come back on the parcel number and tell you there is not tax.  What that means then is that they are using the names of the people involved in these other properties as the exemption.  In other words what they’ve done is they’ve taken people’s private … which would be their names that give them their exemptions, means that personal private assessments have been taken into the public buildings so they can use the exemptions and render a zero tax.  Then the real estate then otherwise has been placed as the assessed value has been distributed amongst the real estate.  Okay?
M2: Yes! Yes! Yes! I follow you on that.
R: So then whenever you take these pieces of real property and you place the address correction upon that particular parcel, I think that’s all you have to do.  Because now you’re claiming that as personal property by virtue of you putting your name on there as the address correction.
M2: Okay.  Now on that note what this will do from my intuitive position is it will force them to take the value of those properties and reset their books.  Now my theory here at the moment because of the bastard state of equity is that they jumped immediately from the county level and instead of going through the ladder working up through the county, to the state, to the federal to the international.  They go straight to the international.   So one million dollars of property bought at the local county level, instead of going through the hoops and the ladders it is immediately brought into the international supercedeous bond at one billion.
R: Well…. Still they have to transcend the state.  But you see the state of Hawaii is pure equity.
M2: Yes but the calculations here still works out the same.  Whatever you start out the bottom with, you multiply it by 1,000.
R: Yeah!  The reason you’re bringing the state in is because the county….. there probably isn’t any real transaction that occurs between the county and the state, except that the county assumes that the state credits their accounts and they just write their checks on that for whatever tax revenue they figure they’re collecting.  They collect from the state on the public buildings they have all these personal property rights that they obtain these exemptions on.  So they have to assume that the state has credited their account so they can write checks on the county basis.
M2: Okay, I follow you on that…
R: So there is probably likewise another automatic assumption that these go from the state to the international just by assumption.
M2: I’m pretty sure of that but on that note I also have a theory that by taking the courthouses and state capitol building I was also thinking of including the airport.
R: Yeah!  Well you see the airport is probably… well I don’t know whether there’s going to be a tax base on it or not, because I’ve gone after a Wal-mart store over here.  It’s a super store.
M2: Oh by the way, Wal-Mart just made number one of the Fortune 500.
R: I see that.   But you see when I went in there to have the tax bill put on to me, they were kind of surprised in there that there wasn’t anybody else on that particular parcel.  In other words on that particular store there are 5 parcels.  So I’m not exactly sure how that is going to come to me.  But let me tell you this.  I had occasion to stop in another county treasurer’s office and ask for a particular parcel number and she gave me the information without any problem and before I left there and in fact she asked me to give her my name and address so that she could mail me the bill.  I didn’t even tell her I was making the correction.  I just asked for the bill and she said, “Well I’ll have to have your name and address.”  So I gave it to her.  Well then when I was leaving I told her, I said, “Well since those twin towers went down now we’ve got to have a real living breathing principal on the account.”  She said, “That’s right!”
M2: Okay on that note…  I would just like to make a small pause here… Now some of the information that the real estate agent gave me which is your basic bs advertising.  Some of it had “real” information in it.   Now all the properties that I looked at with the exception of one apartment in one building every single “taxpayer” is a corporation.  The only one that is not a “corporation” is one fellow that owns a tenth floor penthouse and it’s in his name.  Now everybody else, keep in mind, buildings themselves with exception of Waikiki Land Mart, every building is what you would call strategy(?) (not clear what was said)   development.  There’s a building within 10 to 38 floors anywhere from one suite per floor up and we were looking at various properties and there was only one out of 20 properties that I requested information on that is actually registered in a person’s name.
R: Okay, well you see the corporation is considered a person at this particular phase.
M2: Yes but as far as equity and redemption goes they’re unqualified positions.
R: Well yeah, but you see I think you can treat that other person that’s in there the same as the corporation.  I’ll tell you why… I think he’s in there and he’s had his lawyers put him in there.
M2: Now what we’ve done at this particular point is that we’d like to use the Waikiki Land Mart as our home resident base.  We’re going to use one of the other apts. as our “private property” in order to have small and intimate learning sessions.  Now at this particular point I’m going to concentrate as much as I can, working with the Japanese, but at this same point there is a good opportunity that D* may come to Hawaii to assist me in the winter time and we would like to concentrate on teaching Americans and very small hands on situations 5 - 9 students because I agree with your position that this must occur from the American populace.  Much as Canadians do, the Americans are the key factor here.  Canadians can make this work, yes because we have an identical system.  But it is Americans that you have so keenly brought to my attention, that is the impending foundation of which the well spring of redemption must occur.
R: Yeah!  You see it’s the only place that I think redemption can occur.
M2: Right our system is similar.  We have a 9 digit tax number called a SIN, you have a 9 digit number called SSN.  Now we have almost identical legislation but slightly different term.  You have county courts, our county courts were abolished by statue law in 1980 and we have district courts, but our court systems are almost identical.  Our economics are almost identical.  The Canadian Central bank, the Federal Reserve took it over on I think in 1938.  The bank became real in 1934.  Our change of banking acts occurred at exactly the same time.  Canadians can fit into the molds here because we are right behind you.  We’re a dove tail.   As far as other countries go, I’ve double checked on your home work and you’re right, Europeans do not have a satisfactory system.  The Asians do not have a satisfactory system as much as the Australian/New Zealanders follow in the “British coat tails” there are deviations in their positions that do not make them quite as appealing as Canadians.  Canadians are dove tailed right into your system.  But the Australian/New Zealand there is a few positions that they have that are going to throw them off the base and not make them as reliable.  So my concept here that I received is to set up a home base in Waikiki which allows me to deal with the Japanese and it’s a good place.  We want to concentrate on farmers.  D* will tell you that we’ve known each other since ’96 and I have a great affinity to help farmers…..  We’re looking at bringing in small groups of farmer into Hawaii to train them.  I believe it’s the farmers that are the key point here.
R: The reason being is because those that grew up on these farms participated probably in township activities and you see that’s where the basis of the tax assessments occur.  So that’s where the base is set here where I can see in Europe and one thing and another that they wouldn’t fit.  There is not basis for redemption.  Then of course when our government went into the foreign aide program then I could see how they brought the whole world into the debt system.   And in 1913 they created the international bank and the international stock market.
M2: Just on a small side note here.  Years and years ago I use to put PPS liens against agents.  Now I never finalized the process.  I did it merely to say “get their attention”.   Now when you read through the statutes, the cross statutes, the forms, the paperwork and get through all the muddle, what’s very interesting is the PPSA, which is the personal property (not legible) was based on something very interesting.  It was based, not on the property, it was not based on the personal, it was not based on the real, it was based on the crop factor at the agricultural level.
R: The crop factor?…
M2: Yeah!  Say for example there was a building in down town Calgary and it was a bank building and I wanted to put a lien on it because I wanted to get some ones attention.  The actual paperwork, if you read through the fine lines on the back page is that you were attaching the future crops of the property.
R: Oh, okay. Yeah, I understand that.
M2: Now what I wanted to suggest here is that way we move forward on equity redemption of properties, my suggestion is that we fill out the UCC form which is applicable to Washington DC and we attach our check along with the filing information and send it to Washington DC.  Say for example, D*’s property is a courthouse and I’m going to redeem a judges property in Vancouver, I would make out a UCC 1 and I would mail that off with my check with the filing fees to Washington DC.  The reason for that is because they would be the central hub for anyone outside the lower 48 states…
R: Okay!  I’m following you.
M2: I tried to reach you but as luck would have it you were not available or very busy…
R: chuckles…. Yeah!  Lucky I was cause we’ve uncovered more of the puzzle.
M2: Good to hear.  I heard that, through my intuitive channels, shall we say.  Now on one note here with one of my most recent conversation with the fortune-tellers here.  They agree quite strongly with your position about the negative energy about the health of the population.  They know that!  They are well aware of that.  Now if it’s possible… I know it’s late, but could you give us a quick summary, I’ve not had the benefit of listening to your material on the bond issue could you perhaps give M1 and myself a quick summary on that as well as some of the new discoveries you’ve made.
R: That’s what it is…. The new information is on the bond.
M2: I’m all ears.
R: Well when I went up to see those fellows… course D* wasn’t there, and we had to communicate with him through 3rd party and after I got back… well before I went up there I wound up getting myself arrested.   It was based on my engagement with the local county treasurer…
M2: Is he the one that sent you notices, one with the DC zip and one without the DC zip?
R: Yeah!  Well anyway what I did was he charged me with a fine and stuff so I give him a check for the fine.  Actually I gave him 2 checks in fact.
M2: Yeah 2 checks for $2,000 each…
R: Right.  So then what he does is he let those 10 days run out on the complaints that he said he issued a warrant on.  What he did was he gave me a date that I could appear if I wished…  chuckles… and I’ve got a long ways to drive up there so I didn’t bother with it because it wasn’t imperative that I be there.  And of course with those being misdemeanors, they are basically the equivalent of a 10 day letter.  After 10 days they are dead on them.  Well after 10 days what they do is they go in and get a bench warrant for you for failure to appear.   Now the failure to appear is to appear in the commercial account.  That’s the appearance that they’re looking for.  So when it doesn’t appear they issue a bench warrant.   It’s a warrant and I was charged with issuing a check on an account closed.  That’s what the warrant said.
M2: So what it is they’re looking for a authority figure to claim the entry into the account?…
R: Yeah!  Yeah!  That’s what they’re doing.  So anyway, that was the basis and I attended my mother-in-laws funeral up there and after the funeral they jumped me and I was a guest to the county Mounties over the weekend.   Well Monday morning, course the states attorney calls me and he said we’ll get you out of there shortly.  He indicated that he wanted to talk to me before we enter the court room.
M1: This was on the 18th before you come up here?
R: Yeah… That probably was the date…   Anyway before we got to talk the judge came on the phone.  She asked me, “Mr. E* what do you want?”  This of course was after he introduced me to her.  I said, “I’ve accepted and returned and want closure.  And I don’t plan to dispute any of the facts.”
M2: This was right from you’re jail cell?
R: Well it was from the jail over the phone.  Yep!  Soon as I told her that she said, “Mr. E* I know what you want, but you have to come before me before I can do that.”  I said, “Oh that’s fine.”  She said, “Well what do you want to do about bond?”  I said, “I’ll request a bond without cost.”  Right about that time the states attorney interrupted and said, “Karen, (the judges first name) we can Mr. E* out of here on his own pr if he’ll sign the bond.”  She agreed.  So then he asked me if I would sign a bond for $5,000.  I said, “Sure.”  Okay so she agreed that she would have her clerk type up and bond and she would fax it into the jail and if I would sign it I would be out of there immediately.  That’s exactly what happened.   So then you know the rest of it cause I came up to see you fellows up there in Canada.  Well anyway when I got back I got hold of the states attorney ahead of time, which was about 15 minutes before the proceedings started in the court house.  He said, “Well what do you want to do?”  I said, “I want this deal done NOW.”  “Well”, he said, “This is the way it is….  It is basically to agree to a restraining order so that I don’t contact the county treasurer and all these public people and the people that were involved in my land… Okay,?”  He said, “That’s the basis of the agreement.”  Well then I also asked him if he would pursue some of my private property that these people had in their possession and we talked about it a little bit and he said, yep, he’d do that.  So I said, “Okay, we’ve got an agreement,”  and we shook hands on it.
M1: This private property that you’re referring to, that is that batch of farmland…
R: That’s everything.  There was some other personal property that was not covered by the real estate.  So you see what he’s trying to do is separate and try to assume that the real estate is not my private property.  But I wasn’t concerned about that because as soon as the bond is discharged you see, now it’s all my private personal property.  He made an agreement with me to pursue it.   Okay so I’m not going to get into that because these are the things that you don’t need to get involved in.  I can handle that because he made an agreement on my personal property and I know now that as soon as the bond was discharged… BANG!  It is my personal property now.   Okay?
M2: Are they going to make the address correction?
R: Well here’s the thing… I made the address correction while I was at the jail.  I could see that he was trying to use the old route addresses and you see he had plenty opportunity for all the correspondence I had with him with the new street address and he continued to use the old route.   So I know that he was trying to use that to let that insulate him against what was going to happen.
M2: In other words, he was building a firewall.  …
R: Yeah.  What he didn’t know, is that I went to the jailer in the jail and I found out they had that same address in there and I made them change it.   He didn’t argue with me but he was trying to tell me it was okay the way and I said, “No I want it changed! There are some legal ramifications on it and I want it changed.  Here is the legal address that I live at.”
M1: This is in court?
R: No it was in the jail.  See once I did it in jail I didn’t have to do it in court, because that’s a record that they have got to work from.  So with all those in place, I didn’t have all that to worry about.  After I made the deal with the prosecutor of what I just told you.  You see when we were on the phone I told the prosecutor that I needed an appearance bond on my own recognizance, the states attorney interrupted her and told her, “Well Karen, we can let him out on his own pr.”  He didn’t want to discuss it any more, so that’s what we agreed to you see.  He said, “If I would agree to a $5,000 pr, which I did, the judge said she would have her clerk type it up and fax it in to the jail.  That’s what she did, I signed it and was out of there right now.
M2: Now when you signed it did you attach your dba (SSN) numbers to it?
R: No!  I just signed it.  Period!  That other stuff doesn’t hold any sway in these deals.  This is a criminal proceeding.  Don’t try to put any claims on it because you’re going to have to … in fact it’s not going to do you any good.  Just go ahead and sign the thing.  It’s your person now you see that’s carrying the charges.
M2: I have two interesting things here I would like to note…
R: Well… go ahead.
M2: One in my position…
M1: We’re both in that position.  We both got the notice of fine charges and we both got the fine orders.
M2: Yes but what I wanted to point out here is technically speaking I was born into a military family in a military hospital.
R: Yeah…. So?
M2: Doesn’t that …. Because of the fact I was born in a military hospital to a military family turns me into a senior preferred, does it not?
R: Well I don’t know.  And I don’t think we should discuss that at this point because you’re going to loose sight of what we need to keep in front of us.
M2: Okay, now I have made a request to the courts for a certified copy of the original charging instrument of the probation order and the fine order and they are now setting waiting to be re-delivered to me from my Victoria location.  When I accept it I send them back a closed account check… correct?
R: I don’t know what that is.  Don’t bring that up until I finish.
M2: Okay…. Sorry about that.
R: We’re going to loose sight of what’s going on here.  Where am I at?… I was released, went up to see you guys, came back, went in early to meet the prosecutor, made a deal that I’m not going to mess with any of these other people but anything I wanted to do I could do it through him.  If I had to contact the say like the county treasurer I could do it through him.  In other words, he’s going to take over the position because he doesn’t think they are competent to handle my case.
M2: Now who is the person that is going to be doing this?
R: It’s the state’s attorney.  He’d be just another one of the attorney generals.
M2: Okay now the state attorney holds the warranty and the secretary of state holds the guarantee?
R: Yeah.  And he (the states attorney) holds the warranty.  He’s the one who wrote the check and charged me for it.  He went and bought the treasury bill I suppose to charge the action.
M2: Now if we look at the T ledger accounting he’d be from the lower house?
R: Probably.  Anyway, then we went to the courtroom…. Now here is the KEY:  We went to the court room after this agreement and I’m in there with an appearance bond, a pr, which means you’ve got to have a personal recognizance bond, and the judge is asking me questions and why we’re there and I’m charged with this and bla bla bla.  She goes on through that business about what I’m charged with and she’s reading first of all from the complaint and when she said that I was charged with writing a check without an account, okay?  And the states attorney of course issued the warrant.  Well really, he’s the one that issued a check without an account cause the warrant that he sent (the bench warrant).  They didn’t say anything about the account being closed…  So I brought that up to the judge.  I said, “That doesn’t read what I have in front of me.” and I was reading from the arrest warrant, and the arrest warrant read  that I was charged for issuing a check on an account closed (that was the PR Bond).  But that isn’t what the complaint said.
M2: Yea, I’m following you.
R: With that in mind the judge just marked all the things on her desk whatever she was doing and then she just goes through the charges and do I understand this and do I understand that, and we pretty well come to an agreement… this is what the charges are.  Then she’s asking me if I agree with them.  I say, “I’m not going to dispute any of the facts in the case.”   Well then she asks me, “Does that then mean that that’s a guilty plea?”  I said, “Yes it is.”  Okay when I told her that then she went on to ask if anybody had threatened me to obtain my plea.  And she gave me several examples to what that threat could amount to.  I said, “Well nothing any more than the fellow that served the warrant.”  (chuckles)
She just kind of nodded her head and marked something on her pad and then just went on.  Then she asked me, “When was that bank account of mine closed?”  Of course the prosecutor jumped up and gave her the date… about a year and a half ago.  So then she asked me, “Well how did the account get closed?  Who closed it?”  I said, “Well it was a collector from the bank who did it and she did it by noticing me by certified mail and after she had notified me by certified mail that she closed the account two or three days later I got another notice from the same collector and the collector told me to send in all my unused checks and I’m still sending them in.”
M2: Why but of course….
R: So she just calmly marks her deal and then she asks me, do you have any other activities at that bank regarding that account or any account?  I said, “Well yes I do.  “I still have the internal part of this account that you can only access it electronically.”  She just marked her ledger.  Then she said, “Okay,”  then she raised the gavel and says, The bond is discharged.” And BANG, the gavel comes down.  It took me kind of by surprise.  I asked her then, “Does that mean that I leave here with something?”  She says, “No”.  She raised the gavel again and said, “The bond is discharged!” and BANG.  She said, “It’s done, it’s ab initio, it’s finished!   That’s when I realized that all the criminal charges are swept aside now.  One minute later I walked out of there.  See I had two charges there and there were two warrants.  Each warrant carried one year in prison.  And of course the judgment on there stated it was a year in prison but it was suspended and of course according that I don’t have any contact with these people but then the probationary period was two years but it was no supervision.  So it was discharged that way.  That’s the equivalent to you agreeing with thy adversary before you get before the judge.  And really I didn’t have to give up anything because I can deal through him and I’m just dealing with personal property, I’m not dealing with the state….with the artificial state.  Not only that, those two checks that I gave the states attorney for the fines, there wasn’t one boo said about them.  I also had given another check to the county treasurer after he had announced some of the other actions he was going to take against me I fired another check into the county treasurer telling her that this check was the sum total of all the foregoing checks that I had given her because I had given them to her in her artificial title name but this check I gave it to her in her own personal name stating that this supersedes the other to cure the disability of her artificial title.  There was not one single boo said about that check.  So there was 3 checks that I had given them that there wasn’t anything said about any of them in this proceeding.
M2: You actually gave one check to the judge then?
R: No, not to that judge.  No it went to the county treasurer.
M1: So the county treasurer got one?…
R: And the states attorney got two of them for the fines.
M2: What was the reason for having to pay the county treasurer?
R: Well see I had given the county treasurer 9 checks and that’s what I got charged with.
M1: Nine checks because of nine different parcels of property…
R: Yeah!  Yeah, but you see the reason there were only two warrants issued was because one of the warrants covered all of the county checks but one of the checks had to cover a city, a city parcel.  So that’s why there were two warrants issued.
M2: So now then, though they arrested you for having issued all of those checks, they allowed you to replace them with one check?
R: They weren’t allowing me.  That was never ever anything said about.   Whatever that is going to happen with those are behind closed doors and is going up there now.  But they never said one thing about it there in the action.  I wouldn’t waste any time in trying to figure out the position on it right now.  Cause I think what come out of that is sufficient for us to do what we have to do.  And for you to do what you have to do.  Otherwise you’re going to clutter your mind.  Just wait for a solution to appear.  Those things can just be setting in a file and they might not be doing anything.  I don’t know, but the interesting thing what comes out of here now.  See if you ever get caught and you’re facing a criminal charge, the thing for you to do is request … when they come at you hear with the first conference with the judge, you’re in the chamber at that point.  That’s when you request an appearance bond on your own pr (personal recognizance).  As soon as I came on that phone, that judge asked me, she said, “What do you want?”   Well I told her, “I’ve accepted and returned and I want closure.  I’m not going to dispute the facts and I want a bond on my own pr to enable me to plea to the charge.”  If you do it that way and they refuse you the bond, then you see they have dishonored you and now you have the basis to charge an involuntary bankruptcy on the federal level because it’s a federal question now.
M2:  Now on that note R*, my first appearance, I was arrested in the courtroom, I had previous notice.  I had a little birdie tell me this was going to happen and I had paperwork with me.  They arrested me in the courtroom while I was finishing one case.  I went down stairs and got the kid glove treatment and back upstairs in about 12 minutes.  They immediately gave me a personal recognizance bond without fee.   No monetary value attached to the bond…
R: Okay, that’s fine!  Now you’ve got an appearance bond.
M2: Okay then that was in effect all the way through until the judgment.  Now on the judgment, they issued me another pr bond that is actually in effect until the end of May.  Now the “public defender” wanted to take my passport away… bla bla bla and the judge wouldn’t hear it.  He said, “No, that my personal word was good enough for him.”  And when I went to my bail supervisor upon getting my judgment, she looked at me and said, “What are you going to do?”  I said, “Well I’m leaving on an airplane tomorrow for Japan and I’ll be there until July.  Here’s my plane ticket.”  She said, “okay, as far as I’m concerned the case is closed.”
R: Okay!  Yep.  Because you see you had the pr bond to plead to the case.  You see you can’t plea to the charge unless the give you the pr bond.  If they don’t give you the pr bond they admit that they don’t have a case.
M2: Well what’s interesting about this case, all these court cases we’ve been tracking, I’m the only one that got a pr bond.  Nobody else did.
R: Did you ask for it?
M2: No actually by the treatment and time they took me down stairs, empty my pockets come back up stairs, it was the… ah… it was that they brought in.  He was the guy that asked for it.  I didn’t get a chance to say anything.  Then we “finished” the case, the judgment it was the judge, not the public defendant lawyer as soon as he made his claim and you’re guilty in all seven counts of not filing and bla bla bla.  He is the one that then turned around and immediately said I was going to be issued a new pr bond.
R: Okay, but did you plead to the charge?
M1: No he was found guilty right after trial.
R: Oh… this was after trial?…
M2: Well how it is… I initially got arrested, that arrest got me into a pr bond, we went through the dance, the hoops, the storm and so forth.  Then we were finally at the trial mode.  We actually started the trial then he remembered to read the charges and asked how I wanted to plea.  I plead “not guilty”.  But at that point I had a pr bond, well the pr bond was probably in effect 17 months… something like that.
R: Yeah!  Well it’s still good.
M1: Okay well it doesn’t say here that it requires a guilty plea.  It just says here that you have a pr bond to plea to the charges.  Doesn’t qualify here what the plea has to be.
M2: My particular case I had a pr bond before I plead…. But the people next door didn’t have one…
R: That’s the only important thing…. Who doesn’t have one?  You have to have the pr bond before you plea otherwise you’re going to have nothing but trouble.
M1: Well my case is done and over with.
R: Okay.
M1: What I’ve got is a notice of filing suite charge where all the numbers are.  Incidentally, on Friday morning, I was served, or called down to the office at this jail and there is this yellow sheet with notice of fine surcharge.   And there are five charges and the fine is $3,000 each and then there are 3 with $5,000 each.  Then there is the default is written out in days that I’d have to serve and it’s signed by the justice.  I don’t have to sign that.  That they gave to me.  I didn’t accept it for value, cause I can do that any time.
R: Yeah, yeah that’s right.
M1: Then there is a fine order.  Which the fine order is under section 734-1 of the criminal code in the Provincial Code of Canada in the matter of D** N**, honorable judge ***.  I don’t have the fine order in front of me I just got someone else’s fine order…. Anyhow, the front page is signed by the justice or the clerk of the court.  I don’t know who signed it in this particular case.  I didn’t really pay that much attention.   Then the acknowledgement, I, D* N*, acknowledge that I received a copy of the fine order and then explanation of the vehicle.  Fine option program has been given to me and the explanation of the procedures were pined for permission for these programs has been given an explanation for these procedures were pined for a change in the terms of this order under section 734 of the criminal code has been given to me.  I haven’t got any of this… and I understand the order and explanation that has been given to me.  I said to him, “I’m not going to sign unless I’m able to print my accepted for value on it.”  He said, “You can’t accept nothing!   You either sign it or it’s going back to the court.”  I said, “Well I’m not signing a Fine Order.  You can send it back to the court.  I can always sign this fine order later.”
R: Okay….
M1: I haven’t received it since I’ve been out.  Also there is one other thing that the prosecutor asked is I be given a compliance order to comply with filing the various income tax forms as we discussed when I was down there by September 20, 2002.
R: Yeah… that’s fine.
M1: I haven’t got that compliance order yet.  But I’ll very likely get it by registered mail.
R: Yeah, you’ll likely get it.
M1: Now I take it I shouldn’t go down there to get this fine order, but on the other hand if I don’t go down there I won’t get the Fine Order.
R: Well I think I would go and get it, but you see what you want to do, is when you go down there you might give them a notice and request a appearance bond on your own pr to enable you to plea to the cause.
M1: But what would I plea to?… the fine that has already….
R: All the charges that have been taken against you.  Any of them!  You just want to apply for an Appearance Bond on your own pr (personal recognizance).  In other words when they give you an Appearance Bond on your own pr, they have to admit who you are and that’s when you put the name correction on the account.  See you’re correcting the name and address right now.  This is the real YOU.  Okay now, they can’t run on the assumptions.  Here’s the position that you put them in.  If you request the Appearance Bond on your own pr to enable you to plea to the charge….  Now if they don’t provide you with that then they’ve made it where you can not plea to the charge without injuring yourself.  That’s the crime right there!  If they fail to provide you then they admit right there they do NOT have a claim.  If they fail to provide you with that bond on your personal recognizance, in other words to admit that is you who is charged, then they are now setting themselves up for a federal question because now if they dishonor you in that request now you see the claim is eligible in involuntary bankruptcy.  See that dishonor that they do to you at that point is eligible in this case to take them into involuntary bankruptcy.  That refusal of theirs is what you charge the involuntary bankruptcy with, because it’s a dishonor.
M1: Okay.  So on this Notice of Fine and Surcharge, which is written across the top with all of the monies down, that surcharge or charge is what I get the bond on?
R: You have to request a bond so that you can plea to that.   You can plead guilty to that if you want.
M1: Even after the fact that the court’s been heard and I’ve been sentenced, the whole works?
R: Oh yeah because see the fact of the matter has not been tried.
M2: To make it a little easier, when they did it to me, they clarified whose name was on the account.  In your case they have not yet clarified whose name is on the account.  That’s why it’s important to get the pr bond so they can make the call and put into the stock market center, they have a name to put on there.  Not an assumed name, not an assumed position but a name in fact.  So when I got my pr bond I had a name in fact on the account.  In your particular case that is a big blank mark.  Is that correct R?
R: Yep!  Yep!  There you go.
M2: So the pr bond is critical because this is how they conduct there assumed position.  There assumed position is done through the fact that they make no formal recognition in their paperwork of what your name is.  But the pr bond clarifies them to put it into the account name for the call and puts.  Now I think the reason they did that on me is because on my web site then I would enter into arguments with lawyers and I would state my statute position that there was no money.  I entered into many engagements on many web sites and reposted that information on my own web site.  I believe that is why they did that with me.  They knew I was hot on the trail.  I brought out the entire history of the Canadian statutes prior to confederation and I showed all the international agreements prior and post confederation conferences had agreed to at the international level and what the market value of the Canadian currency was in comparison to the English pound and the American dollar at the gold level and I tracked every single available case that I accessed and showed the history from 1860 all the way through to the year 1999.  I also showed at that particular point where the change over had occurred where the Canadian government had adopted a position so that officially in 1954 we had irredeemable paper currency and I then showed through the United Nations, prior to that the League of Nations, where we had at the Canadian government level changed the position of going from a “dollar” basis on grams of gold to an irredeemable position that had been through… forgot name right now…. But I’ll come up with it later, but we had changed to SDR’s….. are you familiar with those?
R: What’s  that?  FRN’s?
M2: No the SDR’s are a Special Drawing Right.  I believe that when I got into court that’s why the posted my pr bond with no fee immediately.  That’s the first thing they did.  They arrested me, they took me down stairs, I was chatting with the gentlemen that were going through my pockets, and they said, “What’s this?”  I said, “Those are silver dollars.  The other is a gold dollar.”  I then asked, “What are we doing here?”  The one guy he turned around and said, “We’re not supposed to answer any of your questions.”  I said, “Well who told you that?”  He said, “Our warrant officer.”  I said, “Why did he tell you that?”  He said, “We’re not going to answer any of your questions.”  I said, “Why is that?”  He said, “Cause you take things from people.”  Anyway they did talk to me and they let me know that prior to me being in court that when I get into court they are not to mess with me, they’re simple to do minimum paperwork as possible and I was a priority listing.  Whatever else was on that sheet I was not to be in that jail cell for any longer than 15 minutes.  Between the time they took me down stairs and the time I was back up stairs was 12 minutes back into court.
R: Yep!
M2: 3 minutes later I had a bond on me.  Back down stairs and then 15 minutes later I’m out the door and I make arrangements with the bail fee provider who immediately said that is all I had to do was call in and I didn’t have to show up in person and I didn’t have to sign any (seats(?) or anything.  All I had to do was call in.   Approximately a year later I said, “Listen I’m tired of calling in.  I’m traveling all over the world and it’s very difficult to make phone calls from certain parts of the world and also to fit the time frames.”  So they said I didn’t have to phone in any more.
R: Well you see you had the Appearance Bond.   The Appearance Bond is on your own pr so they had to recognize your name.
M2: All I would do was bring in my tickets and tell them I’ll be gone from here to here and he is the return ticket….
R: Right.  See the probation officer had to account to the tax district that you were actually in.
Missed some info …. Several talking at same time.
M2: First thing I asked her was how do you spell your name correctly.  She told me.  She said, “Why do you need that?”  I said, “Because I’ve got 2 national stations and three international magazines that are writing on this issue I remain high celebrity here and I want to make sure I get your name correctly in the newspapers.  She said, “Listen!  You keep my name out of the newspapers and I’ll make this real easy for you.”  I said, “What do we call easy?”  She said, “Well you can turn around and leave right now and your phone call once a week.”
R: Well!… Okay I understand what is happening there.  But with what we’re talking about here is even going to be more exact.  The thing that really bothers them is when we’re revealing that all these attorneys have been operating in bankruptcy since 1913.  They don’t like general knowledge of this out there on them.   Cause when they take the bar, when they swear their oath to the bar you see they waive their citizenship.  Okay that means then that the only way they can operate is in equity.  But as soon as we put them out of equity you see and they don’t have clean hands, they don’t have any equity.  That means then that they can’t own any property.  Because they come and claim the statutes but they have a statutory claim in the property.  Why?  Because they aren’t a citizen ---  they are foreigners! (the foreigners pay the tax)  And at the point you see, if they want to come under the statutes and claim an interest at that point they’d have to put up the bond as a foreign agent.  So that’s why the Sec of State would be the registered agent of those attorneys. They are foreign agents and if they haven’t posted bond, then they don’t have a claim!
M1: Can I make a small observation here?
R: Yeah.
M1: When a person first goes into court, they’ve done the 3 magic questions and before they request the order of the court be released to them, should they not request to have a pr bond first?
R: Well yeah probably if they’re continuing a claim on you.  Then at that point what you need to do is raise the question then.
M1: Okay here’s how I think it should go.  First, What’s your name? Second, Do you have a claim against me?  Third, Do you know anyone who has a claim against me? Then forth would be you hereby request a pr bond …..
R: … to enable me to plea to the charge, if there is one.
Several talking couldn’t understand….
R: I would just say “I request the court provide me with an appearance bond on my own personal recognizance to enable me to plead to the charges.”
M2: On that note just so they don’t get tricky on us, shouldn’t we stipulate in a request that the appearance is at no monetary value?….
R: Oh yeah, “on my own personal recognizance, without cost to me, to enable me to plea to the charges.”
M1: Now we could actually leave out the part about the court and just say you request?
R: Yeah… yes!  I request an appearance bond on my personal recognizance at no cost to enable me to plea to the cause of action.(you will see later he corrects himself and says “charges”)
M2: Now that goes before the request for the orders of the court to be released to you because at that particular point with R’s clarification, the court doesn’t know who you are and there has been no name in fact attached to the account.  When you’ve made that position you’ve immediately clarified on all levels that they are the assumed owners.
R: Right!  Now, when the judge renders judgment, that is when the bond gets discharged!  When that gavel hits the bench,  that’s the discharge and that erases all the criminal charges against you.
M2: But do you still go through the mechanics of accepting?
R: No!  You don’t have to do that.  The guilty plea … when you’re standing in open court and she asks, “How do you plea to the charges?”  Say, “Guilty.”  BANG!  That’s when the gavel comes down and erases all the criminal charges.  See because you’re talking about offer and acceptance?
M2: Correct.
R: Okay, but you see those are civil proceedings and criminal the equivalent of acceptance is a guilty plea.
M2: Okay.  Then for my own clarification purpose, I had the pr bond, we went through the trial, I plead Not Guilty, they said I was Guilty, I’ve now got a Fine Order and a Probation Order.  I was going to accept those …
R: Stop.  I think you’ve already done that.  Cause you see I had a lady that is in these proceedings right now and the judge took her back into court and said, “Lady you have balanced the account.  You have accepted and returned” and all this kind of thing and he walked her right through and showed her that she had balanced the account perfectly.   But he said you’ve only balanced one side of the account.  That was for civil matter.  Now we’re going over to the criminal side and the criminal side means when they say, “Acceptance” the criminal side doesn’t understand that.   They only understand when you say, “I plead guilty as charged.”   Well if you are going to plead “guilty or not guilty” as charged you better have a bond to cover it.  You’re going to injure yourself if you don’t.
M2: Well in my case I’ve got the bond but I’m just trying to figure if I’ve helped myself or screwed myself by putting in the appeal which is set for June.
R: Well the appeal is simply going to have to refer to the bond… period.  That’s your appeal bond for appearance.
M2: Okay, well what I did to buy some time is I had an appeal put in on the last day through an agent who started the appeal process.  I then wrote them a letter stating that the lay litigant who is operating as my agent has recused themselves and I will be dealing with the matters.  Who is the public defender in the last room that will be present and who is the judge that will be present?  I got a letter back from the court that said I had to write to the justice dept to find out who the public defender was.  I did that.  They wouldn’t know who the judge was until the day before the court case.  When I show up June 20th at 10:00 I was simple going to do the 3 magic questions and walk away.
R: I don’t think so!  I think that you are going to have to press the criminal charge.  In other words you can do the 3 magic questions, but you see you might be faced with being arrested right in court, in the proceedings.  If you do get arrested you are now going to have to prosecute the bond in fact.  Cause you see have had an agent do it before.
M2: Okay.  So I’m still in reasonably good shape?
R: Oh yeah!  Yeah!  But you see you’re going to have to be prepared to request the personal recognizance appearance bond to enable you to plead to the charges.  See you haven’t plead to the criminal charges yet.
M2: Yea because it was the attorney that actually asked for my pr bond.  I didn’t ….
R: That’s right!  So you see it’s all assumed and you see your name has been placed in there by assumption.
M2: Okay so all I do is just go to the position that we just clarified is that I do the 3 magic questions, and I request my appearance bond….
R: Well you do the 3 magic questions, but the minute that they press you for something else that’s immediately when you press for the appearance bond on your own recognizance.
Several talking at same time…..
M1: You’re both talking at the same time cause there must be a delay and you can’t hear one another….
R: Oh okay we’ll delay more time….
M2: Okay then just to clarify.  I have an appearance bond but the appearance bond was assumed by the lawyer.  I must do this on my own?
R: Right.  Oh yeah!  You see you have to get your name into the account as a matter of fact.  And if you put it in there, you see it still hasn’t been corrected by you.
M2: Okay so that’s what I do.  I show up for my appeal, I do the 3 magic questions, I do the now formulated position of where I request the appearance bond on personal recognizance with no cost to enable me to plea then I request the…..
R: No!  No!  I don’t think you have to do all that.  See what you do…. See you’re mixing this stuff. (the 3Q’s and the PR bond) When you move into the criminal side you’re requesting an appearance bond on your own personal recognizance.  That means they have to recognize your personal name.  That’s actually the point that the correction is being made.  Okay?  So you see you’re not going to have prosecute the rest of it.  You just simply request the bond to enable you to plea to the charges.
M2: At that stage they may have to adjourn the court for a few minutes so that bond can be written up right?
R: That’s right because you have to sign that thing.   You can’t appear until you do.  Because you see the prosecutor, court and everybody would admit to injuring you irreparably if they are causing you to plea before you have any protection against it.  You see that’s what the bond is for, so that you are then capable of redeeming the debt, which is a negative claim that is dangerous to everybody.
M1: Well I think that this is a great discover!
R: Yeah!  Well I went through it so I know.
M2: Okay so I’m in position I just need to clarify it?
R: Yeah
M2: Even though I have a pr bond it is the same ole trick they always us.  They got the attorney to do the assumption.
R: Yeah!  You’ve got to implement it yourself before the correction goes on the account.  (direct evidence=facts)
M1: Now can I do this through the post?
R: Now here’s the thing… You need to make a deal with them and probably over the phone.  I don’t think you’re going to do it on paper.  They can perhaps do the bond and you can sign it.
M2: Let’s back up a step or two.  The hinge pin is the discovery that myself must be in the courtroom in front of the judge where I make my request for the bond….
R: Nope!  …. Nope!….  You’re going to far.  You are starting to assume things.  You see if you, in the court room, you have to be there before (in front of the judge) they can discharge the bond.  You can make the arrangements for the pr over a closed circuit on the telephone with the prosecutor and the judge.  When you request the bond they can always fax it to you and you can sign it.  You are going to have to be in the presents of the judge before they can discharge the bond unless they agree otherwise.   Now they could agree otherwise, but you’re going to agree otherwise.
M2: So I would write them a letter setting up a teleconference?   I could call from Japan and have the judge and prosecutor on the line to make my request.
R: Yeah!  You request the appearance bond and if they agree to it then the judge can type it out, they can fax it to you and you can sign it.  Okay what that means you’re going to have to have an appearance date.
M2: Well that’s already been established.
R: Okay.   Do you have an appearance bond on your own personal recognizance for that date?
M1: Yes he does.  The appearance bond was done up by the prosecutor not himself.
R: Yeah I know.  But you see that’s an agreement with the prosecutor…. That’s a contract.  Okay if you’ve already got it, then you can appear and plea to the charges.
M2: Okay what I need to clarify here is I’ll use this new procedure to get the bond in my name, I currently have a date of appearance for my appeal but that is done under the assumed position of the attorneys who got the bond for me and I now correct that position by requesting the bond issue myself with the judge and prosecutor?….
R: Well I’d say that if you have the bond and you’re going into the appeals, you can probably make those arrangements and let it go to the appeal.  Eventually you see when you come to the showdown, the final showdown in it.… what you need to do is you need to request the point to where the bond is going to be discharged.    That’s what you need to find out.  Once the bond is discharged that’s when you’re going to get released.
M2: Yes exactly!  That’s the track that I’m following.   I’m just clarifying the steps.  I know what to do now.  I will send a letter to the judge and to the prosecutor requesting a teleconference and in that teleconference I will request the bond….
R: In your own personal recognizance because that means that they have to recognize your name.
M2: Good.  That’s a clarifying step.
R: Well that’s the correction.
M2: Now should I move forward on the judges property or should I wait until I get the bond?
R: Wait till you get done.  Otherwise you’re trying to extort concessions out of him and that could be a nasty situation for you.
M2: Okay but I could still get all the preliminary information together?…
R: Oh yeah
M1: Well this is a rather strong discover.  What I’m requesting of you is should we make this information available to people about to go to court?
R: The thing is you don’t want to get to detailed…. You can tell these people that when they get charged they need to request the appearance bond on their personal recognizance at no cost to enable them to plea to the charge.  Then I wouldn’t tell them any more.  If they can’t handle that at this point, they aren’t qualified for that information anyway.
M2: I comprehend that.  I’m simply trying to clarify in order to go with the standard 3 questions and the one position is we simply make notice there is an additional request that is put in …
R: Well see what happens when you go through the 3 magic questions and you don’t get your relief, then you see what they’re doing is they are coming at you with criminal charges.  (the three questions are civil, or, indirect evidence)…
M2: I’m still trying to clarify the 3 magic questions which stay the same what we then do is offer an alternative position instead of requesting the order of the court be released to you, you request the appearance bond on your personal recognizance at no cost to enable you to plead to the cause of action.
R: Not the cause of action… to the charge.  Because that settles it here right into the criminal charge.
M2: So they don’t even need to mention the order of the court be released to them…?
R: No
M1: So we don’t say plea to the cause of action ….
R: You would say to plea to the charges….
M2: Now do we use both phrases together?
R: No I think just plea to the charges…..  See because now if they don’t have…  well… I suppose you could use both.  Because if they’ve got a hold on you to where you’re incarcerated that’s a gosh darn criminal charge.
M2:  Just to clarify one more time as we’re working on the wings of inspiration… the 4th position which is the statement, the new position is that you request the appearance bond on your personal recognizance at no cost to enable me to plea to the cause of action….
R: No the CHARGES.  Now I’ll tell you why.  When the judge takes it the judge is going to say,  “The bond is DisCHARGED”.  The bond cannot be discharged until it’s been charged. (remember the discharge goes against the person that brought the charge)  Okay that’s the reason it needs to be requested to plea to the “Charges”.
M2: Okay.
R: See the cause of action would be civil.

      Some other chit chat….

R: When they accelerate claims against you which are basically civil, then you see they are going criminal.  That’s what we’re doing now.  We’re saying, “okay if that’s the case then I request the appearance bond etc.”
M2: In Canada they call this quisi-criminal.
R: That’s okay.  It doesn’t make any difference.  You still going to need the bond.  And they’re still obligated to give it to you when you ask for it.   See the scripture says, “you have not because you ask not.”    Once you ask they have a obligation.   Not only that it’s a tax obligation.   See they stay away from these criminal charges as long as they can.  That’s when you come with a double edge sword.  Cuts both ways.
M1: You say they stay away from the criminal charges??
R: Yes they do if they can get you to wander in there without them risking their neck.  Once they’ve got to press you to the criminal side then you see they’re now on deck too.  See you’re charging a court of conscience.  If they get caught in the wrong place that’s what you guys up there in Canada are calling a DC heart attack.   Their immune system gets involved.  Why?  Because the charges reverse the polarity in their immune system.   They get hauled off to the emergency room.
Chuckles… and the thing is those guys don’t drive fast enough they might not make it… more chuckles.
M2: Exactly!
R: See what you’re doing when you ask the 3 magic questions you are balancing the account on the side of where they require indirect evidence.   It is basically federal.  See now we’re dealing where direct evidence is required and that’s where you’re being criminally charged and that’s why you need the appearance bond.
M1: Yeah…. That clarifies the name on the account.
R: Right.  Otherwise your name has been used in there by assumption.  Now you see you’re correcting the account name as a matter of fact.
M2: Brilliant discovery!  Brilliant discovery!

More chit chat on private conversation

M2: Oh I have a question on some of the accounts that I have.  Each account issued me a check card.  It says right on it… Check Card.  Now the account that I plan on turning into a treasury direct account it has a visa logo on it with a set of Visa numbers and it states right on it check card.  Now will that check card itself be capable of being used like a treasury direct account?
M1: That’ll be your debit card.
R: Yeah you see a debit card is the one to where the corporation has to charge the debit and when it hits your account it goes to zero.
M2: What I’d like to clarify is the placement position of the numbers on the check card are not the same set of numbers as the account itself.
R: Well it’s probably just a sub-account.   You see they are trying to do reversals… well I suppose it keeps their accounts going and really, when we use this check, then bang, that goes into the electronic funds transfer (EFT) and that’s where the calendar years meets the fiscal year.  When we issue our check, we’re issuing our check where they must charge the account and do the EFT so that the calendar year and fiscal year come into the same entry.   That’s when the account goes to zero.  That means now we’re eligible for public policy and they’ve got to deliver the product as a matter of fact.   That’s what has to happen!  Because you see when the calendar year and the fiscal year come together one of those is a positive number and the other is a negative number.  That’s the matching funds.   That’s what the replevin is.
M2: Excellent!
M1: Very good !