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Conversation with Roger Elvick 9/9/02
W/Gail Martin
 Introductory identification and chit-chat

►On July 30, I filed an Ex Parte Order for Summary Judgment and an Ex Parte Summary Judgment.  And I also filed Charging Orders (in which I charge the defendants with commercial default in the amount of X million.)
On August 5, the City answered me.  Now their participation in this case had been dismissed by the judge, but they answered this with more statutory clap-trap and nonsense.
On August 14, I filed my Orders and Settlement Instructions for the Clerk of the Court.  This spelled out that I would be drafting the Secretary of State for 10% of the sum certain as the initial payment, then I spread the balance of the payments over the next twenty years.
That same day I went to the Secretary of State’s and filed my Ex Parte summary Judgment (unsigned by the clerk or a judge) for the claim on my UCC3.  And I also listed all of the defendants as debtors on my UCC3.
On august 23, I received an Order transferring/reassigning the case to a different judge with no reason given.
So on August 30, I filed an Affidavit and Objections for the Order of Transfer.  And when I did that I asked for a copy of the docket and found that while they had placed the Ex Parte Order for Summary Judgment on the docket, somehow the Ex Parte Summary Judgment had not been placed on the docket.
So, on September 4, I filed follow-up Corrections for errors and Omissions in the Docket bringing that fact to the attention of the Court.
Now, my question is: what do I do if they just try to steamroller me into the new judge’s court.  I’ve told them that the case is closed.  Hold on, let me just get something…  O.K. I filed an objection to the Order of transfer with an alternative agreement basically phrased as a contract.  I’m trying to put them between the rock and the hard place and boy is it hard to do!  But I said:
“No Default/No Dishonor Alternatives to Transfer:
(a)    That the Senior Clerk, or the Acting Clerk of this Court of Scott O. Wright exercise his/her lawful authority and timely sign Masten’s Ex Parte Summary Judgment within the commercially acceptable period of ten days from date of this filing (which was August 30) and Order the Defendants to Settle this Claim as per my Settlement Instructions.”
And then the alternative
“(b)That, should this Court wish to avoid signing said Ex Parte Summary Judgment, this Court shall grant Power of Attorney for Masten to enter a Confession of Judgment for the Defendants in favor of Masten for the value of X Silver Eagle dollars collateralized by all Defendants’ assets as listed under bla-bla-bla of Masten’s Orders and Settlement Instructions filed with this Court on August 14.”
So, in other words, what I’m trying to do is put them in a position where they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.  They have a choice; they can either sign it themselves or let me sign it.  I’ll be the good guy and enter a confession of judgment for them.
RE:    Yes, that’s an accommodation signature.  The other thing here is… you see you’re driving them to the wall now where they’re probably entertaining the idea of trying to allege criminal charges.
►Well, actually that’s interesting because just recently, on Labor Day, I left my little farm and where the dirt road joins the highway… it’s a straight road and my house is about one mile from the highway… and when I get to the highway stationed directly opposite me in a sort of a pull off area is a cop, at seven in the morning supposedly operating his stationary radar unit.  And as soon as I turned on to the highway he pulls out behind me and I got three tickets.  This time by a State trooper.  And I suspect what they would like to do is lock me away somewhere.
RE:    Oh yeah.  That’s what I say.  You see now they’ll resort to their extortion.  This here is Title 18 §§891, 892, 893, and 894 if you’re familiar with that.
►Well, I’m familiar with a lot of Title 18 but I don’t remember specific sections.
RE:    Well, that’s precisely what he’s engaged in here.  Extortionate credit transactions.  When he issues a ticket that is a credit item.
►Yes, I understand that.
RE:    O.K., well then you see these sections here of Title 18 cover all that.
►Well that was my next question.  I need to find out how to handle this case.  I’ve haven’t done anything about it yet.  I’ve been trying to contact you since then and you’ve been out of town, or making the harvest.
RE:    Well, I was harvesting here but then I had to make a trip and I just got back.  In fact I haven’t even opened my mail yet.
►O.K.  So, my question was how do I take care of this?  Now I have not yet established a closed account.  The bank has not answered me.  I sent them a letter saying I think I left some money in this account, please write me.  And…
RE:    Well then what you do is you just keep writing checks on it until they bounce a check or until they come back to you stating that you’re overdrawn.
►Yeah, but if I’m overdrawn that’s one thing…
RE:    Yeah, I know.  But if you’re overdrawn they’re going to tell you “you’re overdrawn this much,” right?  O.K. then you just give them another check for that amount.
►O.K.  And then they’ll call and tell me that…  You mean I give the second check to the bank?
RE:    Oh yeah!  Whenever they tell you you’re overdrawn and by how much you just give them another check.   They’re going to have to close sooner or later.
►O.K.  Well I had telephoned them to find out the status of this old account and the girl said “well you’re account doesn’t appear in the computer” – and I’d read them the number right off of one of my old checks- “it must be closed.”  So I got that verbally but I didn’t get anything in writing.  
RE:    Well now just act on it.
►Now I would think that their goal is to shut all of us people using closed accounts down and turn these things into…
RE:    Naw, naw, naw.  That ain’t gonna happen.  They’d like to think that they can threaten us to willfully stop.  But I have a friend who talked to a banker in Hawaii.  That banker told him that a closed account is more valuable than an open one.
►Well that’s interesting!
RE:    Oh yeah!
►So now back to the tickets.  It’s been eight days and I haven’t responded.  I know I have 72 hours under the Truth in Lending.
RE:    Well write them a check for them.
►Just write them a check for the whole amount?
RE:    You bet!
►And then when they come back and say “these checks are no good, there’s no cash in here…”
RE:    They’re not going to say they’re no good.  Well, if he does say it anyway, you ask “Well what do you mean by that?”  And get them to finally say “Well, we didn’t get paid.”  Then you say “Well you weren’t supposed to.  Are you trying to get paid again?  These are prepaid items.”  O.K.
►So I can just go according…  On the back of the Summons it says that you agree that by just sending in money you are pleading guilty… or should I wait to go to court?
RE:    You just tell them you’re not in dispute for any of the facts.  Because you see otherwise they’re going to proceed on the presumption that you’re pleading not guilty and they can plead you that way.  That’s what they want to…
►Let me just read what they’ve got on the back of the summons.  It says:
“I the undersigned, do hereby enter my appearance on the complaint (or information) of the offense charged on the other side of this summons.  I have been informed of my right to a trial, that my signature to this plea of guilty will have the same force and effect as a judgment of court, and that this record will be sent to the licensing authority of this state.  (What’s the point?  I mean, I don’t have a license.)
RE:    Yeah you do.  They’ve probably issued one here for your strawman.
►I do hereby plead guilty to said offense as charged, waive my right to a hearing by the court, and agree to pay the penalty prescribed for my offense.”  So, I have to…
RE:    Well you can tell them here that you’re not in dispute for any of the facts.  That would be a guilty plea.  But you’re not going to waive your rights.  The waiver of rights here has nothing to do with the guilty plea.
►Shall I do it “without prejudice?”
RE:    Naw, don’t get into that.  Just cross out that part of it and initial it.
►Alright.  So I can finish it the way I want and where it says “I do hereby plead guilty to said offense as charged, waive my right to a hearing by the court, and agree to pay the penalty prescribed for my offense.”  I can cross all that off and say “I do not contest any of the facts and herewith enclose my payment.”  And then, when they send me back a notice that this check is not good…
RE:    Well, they’re going to come back and say “We didn’t get paid.  Or “Your checking account was marked closed.”  That’s right it’s closed.  Now here’s one thing you need to kind of be careful with.  You see they’re going to be saying that your account was closed here at a prior date back sometime ago…”
►Yeah about five years ago.
RE:    They’re not talking about that closing.  You see you’re talking about the closing on the transaction for which you wrote the check.  See those are two different closings.
►Oh!  O.K.  Now on the check itself should I write “for offsets and adjustments?
RE:    Naw, just write “For EFT only.”
►EFT?  What does that mean?
RE:    Electronic Funds Transfer.  Only.  And then put their invoice (summons) numbers right on the face of the check.  O.K.?  And then
►So I write EFT.  You know it never occurred to me.  A friend sat with me last night and we were discussing my concern about the people I write checks to getting cash in payment.  And he said “Well, basically the bank handles all that,” and then he asked me “What do you do when you want to withdraw money from the bank?  You write a check don’t you?  And then they give you the money.”
RE:    Well, remember now, when you write a check it says:  “Pay to the order of” whoever.  John Doe.  O.K.  Well now John Doe is the one who has to order cash if he wants it – or deposit – or whatever.  It’s up to them!  Not you.  So if they want cash or anything here, for whatever they want you just tell them “Well, my check authorizes you to draw whatever you order buddy.”
►O.K. (laughing) Alright! Well, I don’t know.  These people here are really something else again.  O.K.  Now back to the original problem.  If they try to steamroller me into this new judge’s court.  The case has really been effectively closed by me but they have not signed a summary judgment.   And so far they have not answered this last two alternatives I offered.
RE:    O.K., o.k. but what happens is, if they don’t agree, then ultimately it will have to be settled in bankruptcy.  That’s what you tell them.  If they fail to agree to the terms here that are present then you see they are admitting to involuntary bankruptcy.  O.K.?  And in that case then an assessment is going to be required before they can move forward.  That means Internal Revenue will have to have a legitimate assessment of this made here.  And that’s a tax assessment.  Otherwise if these attorneys attempt to move criminal charges, or a criminal information on you, then you report them for disciplinary action because that’s a felony in the State.  See, it has nothing to do with Federal.  But in the States it’s a felony.  And that means that felony charges will then stand against the attorney responsible for bringing criminal charges without an assessment.
►Well isn’t every summons and complaint for driving basically a criminal charge – everybody says: “quasi-criminal but it’s actually a criminal charge.
RE:    Oh yeah, oh yeah, you bet!  So where’s the assessment?
►And the interesting thing is that it was a State trooper that did this.  So it would be the State Attorney General who’s responsible.
RE:    Yes! But you see what they do is issue a warrant.  And a warrant is only a search warrant.  A search warrant is looking for the order for the warrant.  The order could be based upon an assessment – or it might not be.  There might be somebody else in there trying to get you to agree to it but the thing is you let them know here that that trooper issued a warrant without an order for the warrant and if he’s done it without an order for a warrant and an assessment then he is subject to the charge of committing a felony.
►O.K. so what I can do is put that into my cover letter when I send in my check.  And should I enclose the tickets themselves?  Or should I just cite their numbers.
RE:    Well, at that point – you can put copies of them here – but when you actually give them a check with those here, then you use the originals and send the originals back to them here stapled to the check.
►Well, what I meant was…  I can enclose the check but I could put a cover letter stating that this is a felonious attempt to coerce me into the court.
RE:    Yeah, but if that’s the case see you remind them that unless this is accompanied by a legitimate assessment then you see, without the assessment, the attorney, who is the holder…
►I think it’s the Clerk who’s the holder in due course for the tickets that were written but it’s ultimately the attorney general who’s responsible.
RE:    Yes.  Yes, yes.  So therefore the attorney who is responsible as the overseer of this particular condition is also subject to being brought up for disciplinary action.  And his bringing a criminal charge against someone without the assessment is a felony.
►O.K.  So I would threaten them with that.
RE:    Yes, I don’t know where you’re going to find that in your state statutes but I know that other states have it here.  And I’ve just come up from Texas and I know that there was an action in bankruptcy taken against an attorney against whom they took disciplinary action.  And now they’re fixing to dis-bar him and bring criminal charges against him because he’s committed a felony.
►I’m wondering if I should do that for the local prosecuting attorney – who’s also a defendant in my case.  This whole thing stinks because it shows collusion and conspiracy and all of the things that I cited them for in my case.
RE:    O.K., but ultimately what will happen is this will come down to a showdown as an action in bankruptcy.  And in the event that it becomes involuntary then you see the disciplinary board will have criminal charges to move against the offending attorney because that’s what it is.  It’s a felony for them to bring a criminal charge – or to allege a criminal charge - against someone without the assessment.  That’s going to force them to bring the assessment in fact.  Not to assume that there’s one.  The assessment is – you remind them that the assessment will have to be made as a matter of fact for them to stop disciplinary action against the attorney responsible for the extortionate credit attempts. O.K.
►O.K. but if they just come back and say: “Well you had no license, no registration, no insurance and that’s the assessment.”
RE:    O.K.  At that particular point you state that “Your allegations are accepted and returned for value.  In the event you fail to do that, now I must ask you for confession… or for discovery of your personal assets.  And also I request that you reveal the carrier of your limited liability insurance.  You see, you have to have both.  And the reason you’re asking for that is because that contains the deductible for the policy and then the carrier is an artificial company.  But you have to have both of those to get 100% settlement.
►Oh boy!  That’s going to be hard.  They’re not going to want to give up this information.
RE:    Well they’re not going to want to give it but you see now their personal assets are on the line.  Not only what’s in their name but whatever they control – in the name of trusts, or others, or whatever, because you see we’re dealing with these people in equity and when they dishonor you they no longer have any equity.  So then it’s your personal property and you’re requesting discovery of that.  And if they fail to do it then the Secretary of State is assumed to be the registered agent of those people so you just let the Secretary of State know that all property owned by or controlled under the name of these people is therefore your personal property and the Secretary of State must take notice of that fact.
►Now of course you realize that the Secretary of State is a defendant in my case.
RE:    O.K., but that’s in an official capacity.  Now you see you’re dealing with him ex-officio.  That means now that they’re personally accountable and then, if they fail to carry out their duties now, and you’re letting them know what the agreement is – See they’ve made an offer just by virtue of taking their job.  They’ve made an offer to do business and as a result of that they’re personally liable.  But you see now, the State has to identify (indemnify) them for whatever is the deductible portion of their insurance.  See first of all you have to identify the person who owns the policy.
►That was my question.  All of these policies, in my understanding…basically the company that backs everything silently, is Lloyds of London.
RE:    Oh yeah, yeah.  But don’t get into that now.  I understand that.  So do you.  But see you have to prove the front end here before that’s going to take effect.  And that means that you have to recognize this person as now being on risk insurance for personal liability at the State.  The State is the one here that in their Dairyland policies take the risk insurance for those that can’t get it anywhere else.
►O.k.  Now this is not through the Risk Management company then.
RE:    No!
(A little missing when the tape was turned.  Don’t know exactly how much.)
Then do I just start bankruptcy proceedings immediately against all 33 defendants.
RE:    Yeah, you see bankruptcy proceedings are exactly what we’ve been talking about here.  You’re just telling them “You’re now in dishonor.”  See it doesn’t do you any good to go down and file a bankruptcy action against them because all bankruptcies are corporate.  But you see, you’ve been asking them for the discovery of those conditions as a matter of fact.
Alright, there’s some people in Florida who’re saying “Oh heck, you just go in and take their property, through strict foreclosure.”  So that’s what I would do?  I just go down and transfer title into my name?
RE:    Sure.  That’s your property.  But it’s not quite that simple.  I wish you wouldn’t get into that now because you see you’re going to clutter your mind here – and you’ve already gotten yourself off point as to what we’re talking about.  And you’re getting into a whole different dimension then.  And a lot of that is going to be parallel.  You can do that later but you need to get an overview now about what you’re going to do.
►O.K.  Now question:  I probably should just send them another Ex Parte Summary Judgment.
RE:    Well, it’s a request here for settlement.
►Well I’ve already requested settlement.
RE:    O.K. and they have failed here so now here’s the judgment?
►Yeah.
RE:    Well see even after you get a judgment here… now it’s going to be the collection of the judgment.
►Well see they have not signed anything.
RE:    That doesn’t make any difference.  The judgment has been signed by you as an accommodation, you see.
►O.K.  In the settlement instructions I said that I would be writing drafts on the Secretary of State
RE:    What do you mean?  You made a statement to them that that’s what you’re going to do?
►In the settlement instructions to the Clerk of the Court I said that I would be drafting the Secretary of State 10% of the total and then after that I would be drafting him once a month for the next twenty years.  I did that because I couldn’t contact you so I just went ahead and did it that way.
RE:    Well, you understand how you have presented this to them.  O.K.  And they really don’t have any choice whether to take that as a settlement or not.  You see what they may try to do here is say well you made an offer here and we can choose to accept or refuse.  That’s not the case.  They made the offer.  And you see this here is your acceptance to provide them with the means to carry out their duties.
►Yeah.  O.K.  Am I supposed to write anything specific on these drafts?  I also have recently learned that if they were to send me a check for X number of Federal Reserve Notes that I shouldn’t cash that check.
RE:    Cash it and spend it!  As fast as you can.
►O.K.  Well I was told don’t do that…
RE:    That’s baloney!
► because then it puts me back into their…
RE:    No it doesn’t because that happens to be your personal property.  You own both sides of that account.  And see all they are is holders in due course.  You’re not a holder in due course.  You can’t be.  And you can’t issue any liens either.  They do.  But what you can do is attach the lien.  And that attaches here to them because they’re responsible for the liens.
►Alright.  Now to attach a lien I have to do that down at the County Recorder’s?
RE:    Well I guess you could do that.  I’m not going to get into that.  There’s a lot of different ways to make your lien attachment.
►Alright.  So basically once I get the names of these carriers I should just enter into strict foreclosure.
RE:    Yeah probably but you’re going to have to get the evidence in fact first here.  This is what we’ve been talking about.  
►Now we were thinking of filing for injunctive relief but that basically opens the case and gives them another opportunity for making this thing go on indefinitely.
RE:    Well, it may.  It may not.  I don’t know you’re just calling the conclusions of law sort of prematurely because this is exactly what we’re doing here anyway.  So these are just terms.  People are referring to them here… there’s a whole conclusion of law and fact involved here and you see when you refer to this then you distract yourself because we’ve been talking about this even though we haven’t stated it that way.  And so these people, when they refer to this, there’s a whole process that they’ve got in mind.  And that doesn’t fly because it all works on presumption.  And we’re not dealing on presumption here.  We’re overcoming them simply by the displacement of the assumption by the facts.
►O.K.  Now it seems that everything seems to be coming at me from different directions.  For the last five years or so I’ve been living off of approximately $100 a month.  I’m the beneficiary in a small, about a 100 year old family trust.  And the IRS just sent a notice of levy to this bank, the trustee, and has levied my little $100.  Now everybody else in the trust is still receiving their money but mine isn’t coming in anymore.
RE:    O.K. What you want to do is confront the Internal Revenue Service to produce the assessment for the levy.  And if they don’t have it that’s the same argument we were using, then you see felony charges are eligible to be placed against the offending attorney in a disciplinary action.
►O.K. but do I do this directly with the IRS or do I start with the bank?  Because it’s the bank that’s sending the money off and converting my assets.
RE:    O.K.  Name the officials of the bank because that’s who Internal Revenue is.
►Oh!  It’s the bank!?  
RE:    Sure! It’s an agent inside the bank.  You see, some corporation is using that.  See when they make a claim on you they deposit the money in their account because it’s a liability.  O.K.  so now your discovery is to request the name and address or the name and description of the corporation which is actually in possession of the liabilities for that amount of money.  Because that’s a bank account of a corporation.  Corporate accounts are all liabilities.  
►So they’re trying to assess me for their own liabilities…
RE:    That’s why you want to have that checking account.  Just give them a check for the liabilities.  Now you see they have to do an electronic funds transfer and now that does away with the evidence.  Now was the internal revenue from the local district?
►No, it was actually from somewhere out of Pennsylvania.  They say that I haven’t paid my taxes.  Most of the assets of the trust are in nontaxable bonds…
RE:    Yeah but you see it’s your strawman here that owes the tax.  And you see on your check blank, when you sign that you’re signing as the authorized representative of your strawman.  So you’re not directly responsible for that.
►O.K.  Now that brings me to another idea.  On my summons and complaints that I received.  I printed my name because I wasn’t sure whether I should sign my name and say “authorized rep” or anything like that.
RE:    No.  You sign your name as “authorized rep” wherever you are.  They’re the ones that are going to jump through the hoop here to identify that you’re something other than a public entity.
►Alright.  So when I sign the letter to the court with the payment I sign my name with “authorized rep” after, it doesn’t matter.  The strawman signed the summonses because its printed all caps.
RE:    Sure.  Yeah.
►Oh alright so I didn’t make a mistake.  I was a little concerned.
RE:    If you take a magnifying glass with the little stronger magnifying insert in the glass and look at the signature line on your checks.  You’re going to see that the signature line just keeps repeating itself “authorized representative, authorized representative.”  And that is a contract.
►Well, isn’t that nice of them to tell us!
RE:    Yes and when you give it to them they electronically charge it and it’s a done deal because that’s the contract.  O.K.
►O.K.  Now lastly there is a man here who painted my car in exchange for certain paperwork he wanted me to do.  Actually he wanted me to make him a common-law I.D. so that he could cash his paycheck.  So I made the I.D. for him.  There’s no violation of  any law to do that.  But since I’ve had my court case he’s been turning up on my doorstep almost every time I file something.  You know “just passing by” or what have you.
Recently as the case is getting hotter and they are going more and more into default, this guy has begun requesting that I make a false birth certificate and do other illegal work.
RE:    Oh he’s probably in their employ.
►That’s what I thought.  So the last time he came by I said “Hey, I’m not going to do anything illegal.”  And he got all bent out of shape and threatened to sue me for the painting of the car…
RE:    Oh he did did he!  Ask him then straight out:  “Are you an informant?  Or “Are you an investigator invested in this particular case?”  Because you see that’s what they are.  And you just tell him “If you have invested in this enterprise Mister, you may be subject to felony charges because that’s what’s going to happen to these attorneys coming against me without an assessment.
►Well I did ask him when he was here and he said:  “Well how could I be that?  I don’t even know anything about your case!”
RE:    He didn’t answer the question.  He just said “How could I be that?”  He asked you a question.  So that’s how he’s trying to deceive you.  So you ask him and say “I want a direct answer from you.  I don’t want an evasive answer because I’m going to bind you in a court of conscience here buddy.”
►O.K.  Now I was wondering, can I handle him with a check on a closed account?
RE:    You betcha!
►Alright so I could just do that.  But the thing is he’s going to go and say I’m passing bad checks and file criminal charges against me.
RE:    O.K.  You tell him here that if he wants to verbalize that in the community he’s doing it at his own risk.  And tell him he’d better look up the definition for closed account in the 7th edition of Black’s Law Dictionary.  And that states specifically that it’s a tax offset.  And not only that.  It also says that they can’t add or subtract any credits or debits to a closed account and that this account remains open for offsets.
►Now the last thing I just wanted to tell you about is a friend of mine brought an official manual for the State of Missouri down here and on page 94 it covers the duties of the office of State Treasurer.  And it says how they manage the $19 billion in annual state revenues, directs the state’s banking services, manages Missouri’s $2.5 billion investment portfolio, and so on and so forth. And then it goes on to say “and the State Treasurer’s Office “safeguards the more than $200 million in unclaimed assets that have been turned over to the state by banks, businesses, insurance companies and government agencies and how they try, oh how desperately they try to locate the rightful owners of this money.
And I thought the language is particularly interesting cause it’s talking about the state’s Unclaimed Property program as being the largest “lost and found,” program in Missouri and it describes it this way:  
“Most unclaimed property consists of cash from bank accounts, stocks, bonds, and contents of safe deposit boxes that have been abandoned.  It also can include uncollected insurance policy proceeds, government refunds, utility deposits and wages from past jobs.
Then it goes on to say:
“The office currently is holding more than $200 million in unclaimed property and funds in more than one million owner accounts.”  And I want to believe that they’re telling me the truth here:  “All unclaimed property is held in trust by the state forever and can be claimed at any time.  To recover unclaimed property, claimants must be either the original owner of the property or a legal heir.”
Are they telling me what I think they are? That these assets are mine and that they are using them.
RE:    You bet they are!  Because what you’re doing when you put a claim in just write your Certificate of Origin.  You’re making an original claim.
►Well I’ve put that on all of my recent filings at the court, including my Summary Judgment.
RE:    O.K.  So you let them know that you are the original owner.
►And then, what I wanted to ask in conjunction with that was I was born in California so I would be the legal heir to California property.  But since all states have a similar “lost and found” do I have to register in California to be a legal heir.  
RE:    Oh, I don’t think so.
►Well, thank you so much you’ve given me a little more hope than I had before.  I was seeing them come at me from all sides and thinking they want desperately to get me in court so I can dishonor them or somehow or other…
RE:    No they’re dishonoring you.  You’re accepting their dishonor here and you see the dishonor then is your personal property that you can charge.  Cause you see what you’re doing is charging the claim with their dishonor.
►O.K. So if they send me money I can just spend it as fast as I can.
RE:    That’s right.
►(Laughing)  All right!  Because people are going around under your name and saying “Oh no, send it right back and ask them to turn it into an exemption on their account or use it as an exemption.
RE:    It is already.  When they put your name on it.
(Small pause.)
RE:    Now if all else fails on these things here then we will start to get them to fill out an incident report as per the requirements of the Corps of Engineers.
►O.K…. To prove the “damage” I did.
RE:    Well yeah.  But they’re going to have to confess here on the incident report that’s going to go in to comply with the Corps of Engineers requirements in the local communities.  So that’s going to be a whole new dimension.
►O.K.  Well I think I’ll bypass that for the moment and hope they take this check.  And even though I have had no answer from the bank I should just go ahead and write the check.
RE:    Just go ahead. Just go ahead here because they’ve told you it’s closed.  O.K. now that transaction is closed but don’t let them (the bank) trap you into saying well that account isn’t closed.  This particular transaction is closed, you see.  They can’t access that without doing an electronic funds transfer.  And you see it’s done here because when that goes in, the corporate liabilities have to go in and that removes the entire debt claim on the property.  And it goes up in smoke.  It’s a burnt offering.  It’s an electronic funds transfer and they can’t access your account cause you’re writing EFT only on the face of the check. (this is because this is private and can’t be accessed by phone)
►O.K. Where on the check do I write this?
RE:    Just put it in somewhere above and to the left of your signature.  There’s a big open space there.  And write their invoice (summons) numbers in there too.
►thank you so much Roger, I don’t know…everybody is supposedly teaching your stuff and it’s all coming out skewed and I keep saying “what’s going on here?”  Your original message seems to be very simple is being made very complicated.
RE:    Oh yeah, yeah.  Everybody puts there own understanding to it.  See, even when they ask me questions.  A lot of times their questions are so narrow.  What they’re trying to do is channel my answers down to what they want them to be.  They’re not looking for new information.  They’re trying to justify what they’ve already done.
►One last question.   I could open and close an account locally I suppose.  Do I have to open a savings account in the same bank?  
RE:    I don’t think so.  But if you’ve got an account that’s closed here why would you want to do that?
►Well I have an account that’s closed in Pennsylvania.
RE:    That’s all you need.
►Well they’ll also have to do an electronic funds transfer because it’s in Pennsylvania.  They’re not going to wait for the mail.
RE:    Yeah.  See on these closed accounts, if they ever come and say “Well we talked to the bank or the bank sent it back to us” they’re not even talking about that Pennsylvania bank.  They’re talking about another one.  And you see the thing is when they say these things here they were told over the phone or whatever that the account was closed ”**” you say “well that can’t be because that account is covered by the privacy act” so you see somebody’s going to get in trouble if the give information that’s unauthorized.”
►(Laughing)  I was married for twenty years to a banker and I never learned any of this stuff.  And I don’t think he did either.
RE:    He probably didn’t.
►He went to Columbia University which is a hotbed of Communism and what have you.  And he had all sorts of friends on the CFR and when I tell him all of this stuff he just thinks I’m nuts.  My whole family thinks I’m nuts.
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