The Occult Matrix
Recently Updated as of 2017 - This Website is Completely AD FREE - Please Support Me Via Paypal, Promoted Products and Bitcoin, Etherium Or Ripple

Welcome Page About Me Announcements Personal Writings Knowledge Base News Articles
Video Links Digital Downloads Shop Store Suggested Reading Links Page Contact Me

Credo Mutwa Reptilians


Conversations With Richard Hoagland - October 27, 1995

The following material has been extracted from a public radio
interview conducted on October 27th, 1995.


Q:  France has just torched off another nuclear test.

RH: On Larry King the other night, Larry tried to get French
president Chirac to explain the tests, saying essentially that
"who is going to drop one of these things on anybody?  Why are
you doing this?"  Chirac really didn't have an answer, except to
say that a lot of money was spent to set up these tests.  It was
very lame.  It is perplexing.  The only thing that is not
perplexing is the effects.  There are people we have talked to,
who are claiming that these tests are having interesting
geophysical effects.  I have my own thoughts about that, based
on our own research, on how that potentially might occur.  Bruce
Cathie, some years ago, published a book called Harmonic 33.  He
noted back in the late 1950's that the pattern of nuclear tests
in the Pacific appeared to occur at certain times and positions,
in terms of latitude and longitude.  The bottom line was that he
arrived at the conclusion that you could not detonate a nuclear
weapon just anywhere and anytime you wanted.  He wrote this down,
and was visited by folks from the military, the CIA and the
Australian Defense Ministry.  For a while, there was a
tremendous amount of interest because he had predicted the time
and place of the next test.  When he sent his material to me,
Torun and I went through it and tried to reconcile his semantics,
since he was not using standard terminology.  The conclusion
Cathie came to, again, was that you could only detonate one of
these devices if the geometry relative to nearby celestial
objects was correct, and the geometry on the Earth, relative to
the grid, was correct.  Certain hyperspacial conditions must be
satisfied.  By doing this, he was able to predict tests.
Ultimately, the conclusion was that because of these protocols,
general nuclear war was impossible.  The entire foundation for
the "cold war" was a farce.

Furthermore, Cathie went on to explore the issue of the siting
of nuclear power plants around the world, and reached the
conclusion that they are not sited at random, but they are sited
according to the geometry of the global grid.  The nuclear plant
built here on Long Island is at the exact location where Tesla
built his tower ostensibly for power transmission.  It is at the
exact latitude of the D&M pyramid on Mars -- 40.868 degrees.
Nuclear plants seem to work more efficiently on grid nodes.

[I have considered Cathie's perspective before and have wondered
what sort of bearing this may have on nuclear-powered subs or
spacecraft.  Is the theory totally erroneous or are these
vehicles required to travel along grid "ley" lines in order to
function?  Does this also explain the apparent insanity of
constructing nuke plants right on top of faults (which also seem
to roughly follow grid lines)?  Was this the reason Hiroshima
and Nagasaki -- two civilian cities -- were targeted for the
WWII blast?  Again, if the theory was in error, why was he
hounded by various intell agencies because of it and why were
his "test" predictions so accurate?  -d4]

Q:  It seems like they wasted a lot of money over 40 or 50 years
during the cold war.

RH: It means they spent a lot of money on something other than
what the public thought they were spending it on.

Q:  Did Cathie check tests in the past to see if they matched his

RH:  Yes, but there are aspects of his theory I believe are
incorrect.  Because nuclear reactions happen all the time in
stars, I believe that it is not absolutely true that you must
have a special geometry to set off a nuclear test.  However,
that leads to the question -- why were they setting off all of
these tests, as analysis after the fact shows, according to
hyperspacial protocols?  They were exploring the hyperdimensional
grid.  That is what the French are doing now.  Do you know how
nuclear physicists conduct experiments on fundamental particles?

Q:  Not really.

RH: They accelerate particles to near light speed and bombard
a target.  This results in an output of particles that they
examine.  It's the 'collision' process.  I am strongly becoming
convinced that the nuclear tests, which we were told all these
years were to "perfect weapons," had an objective of probing a
whole new technology based on hyperspacial physics.  Now, after
the "war" is over, the French are banging off nuclear weapons at
19.5 degrees south latitude.

Q:  What would be the objective of detonating weapons at these

RH: According to this model, what the government is doing is
exploring the dimensions of a kind of hyperdimensional physics
that transfers information between dimensions, not only on a
rotating hypersphere, a planet, but between other planets in the
solar system -- perhaps even beyond.  It takes a lot of energy
to get an "echo."

Q:  Does the geological activity in the Pacific "ring of fire"
relate to these detonations?

RH: Well, in theory it has to.  We are looking in our work at
a geophysical model, and we are seeing a hyperdimensional
tetrahedronal geometry (in the Earth).  There have been a lot of
earthquakes around the world occurring at 19.5 degrees.  There
was one just the other day west of Mexico City, while at the
same time a hurricane was twirling around at 19.5 degrees in
the Yucatan.  The other morning, during an eclipse of the sun at
dawn, there was a major earthquake in China at about 22.5
degrees.  This is part of this model of physics.  The question
that everyone has been wondering is -- whether these nuclear
tests are triggering geological activity.  I can't give you a 100%
certainty, but there does seem to be a time-lag of a few days,
and a latitude pattern, that would strongly indicate that there
is some kind of connection.  Now, the next question is -- is it
deliberate, or is it just inadvertent?  Are the French totally
unaware that they are triggering a tetrahedronal response
pattern in the "ring of fire?"  We aren't sure.

Q:  What is it about 19.5 degrees that is important?

RH: About 12 years ago, we began looking at the 1976 photos of
Mars and noticed the face at Cydonia and the complex.  We
realized that there was a geometry connecting these features
that showed up again and again.  The same geometry is present at
sacred sites on Earth.  The point of 19.  5 degrees is the tip
of a tetrahedronal point inside the planet reflecting
hyperdimensional physics corresponding to planetary energy

Q:  How do you think they are using this application?

RH: If the last 150 years is any "rule of thumb," we are
probably trying to develop weapons.  Nuclear bombs are like
candle flames compared to weapons that use hyperdimensional

Q:  Suppose you had a bomb based on hyperdimensional physics...

RH: Suppose I had a physics of hyperdimensions, meaning spatial
dimensions that are invisible, that are not local -- meaning
that you don't have to physically be at the location of an
object that you want to destroy.  You do something "over here"
and something "over there" quietly vanishes.  Do you see how
powerful that is?

Q:  I'm going to change subjects.  Ted Koppel mentioned the
discovery of possible planets in the Pegasus 51 system.  What is
all that about?

RH: I don't think this is an accident.  There appear to be
events that are converging, both of a geopolitical and
historical nature, that are moving us in the direction of
finally admitting to ourselves certain things that many of
us have known for some time.

Q:  Events are obviously accelerating at an increasing rate.

RH: They appear to be accelerating, as well as focusing in
certain directions.  We have been watching this incredible
tragedy in Yugoslavia for five years.  The world has been
apparently powerless to do anything about it.  Now, in the last
several weeks, there has been an acceleration toward peace, with
a meeting.  What I find remarkable is that they are choosing to
meet at Dayton, Ohio at Wright-Patterson AFB.  Judy Woodruff on
CNN, when announcing this, referred to Wright-Patterson as "a
center for UFO research."  This is on par with an event that
happened at the closing days of the Bush-Clinton election in 1992.
Now, Reagan made no campaign appearances for Bush except in
the last two days of the campaign.  His first appearance for
Bush was Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico.  New Mexico has
very few electoral votes.  Why chose Roswell, two days before
the election?  We are looking at "coded communications."  Reagan,
who spoke on five occasions about aliens, is speaking at
Roswell.  Is the hidden message here that "they came here in '47
and they're coming back?"  In 1995, here we have three parties
in the Bosnian conflict who would kill each other if given the
chance, and where do we take them?  Wright-Patterson.  and it
was announced two days after the movie Roswell aired on
television.  Coincidence?

Q:  You think that...

RH: One elevator ride down to the archives at Wright-Patterson,
and the peace treaty will be signed faster than the OJ verdict.

Q:  The whole thing of sending 20,000 Americans to Bosnia is
ludicrous, unless, what you say may be true.

RH: That the clock is ticking and there is a timetable to adhere
to.  I think there is a major hidden agenda, and that the
American people ought to wake up and ask some questions.  We are
not being told the truth.  My biggest concern is not that aliens
exist, not that UFOs are real, not that there are ruins on Mars,
but that it is all a wonderful diversion to keep us from looking
at the real essence of this problem, which is the physics, and
what is happening under our feet.  It would be the worst
nightmare to be distracted at the last minute.

Q:  Let's change subjects again.  What about the ruins on Mars?
Is it your view that the ancient civilization on Mars is us, or
was us?

RH: It's us in the Golden Age of the Greecian myth.  It's us
before the fall of the Judeo-Christian tradition.  It's us when
we were the Titans.  Some of us never lost it, and in this model
they have been playing head-games with the rest of us.

Q:  And the photos of the structures on the Moon?

RH: No one in the government or NASA has contested the data.
They are simply not saying anything about it.

Q:  What makes you think that the government is involved with
hyperspacial physics?

RH: I have a friend that was in the armed services in the 1970's
in Central America.  He was part of a large group of military
personnel that were flown into a location as part of a large
battalion of engineers.  He said they hauled in large portable
generators, each of which was capable of lighting a city.  These
guys were part of security.  He said that there was an enormous
amount of copper cable.  This equipment was placed at an ancient
Meso-American site in the jungle, in the middle of nowhere,
close to 19.5 degrees latitude.  The generators were positioned
separately in a geometrical hexagonal pattern and energized coils.
Given what we know now, this operation must have been to probe
the efficacy of the terrestrial hyperdimensional grid.  What I
need is to hear from people who have been involved with similar

[Any speculations as to how HAARP might tie into this grid
manipulation scenario?  -d4]

Q:  What positive kinds of things can you do at hyperdimensional
nodes on the grid?

RH: You could put energy in and change the resonance at the
nodes, with the object of alleviating earth changes.

Q: On the other hand, you might aggravate things...

RH: Well, that's where laboratory data is very important.

Q:  So, where is all of this going?

RH: It is my opinion that we are being manipulated into a belief
system which is reaching a critical point.  Someone wants us to
think a certain way, and things are being set up so we will
follow that perception.  It does not follow that the perception
reflects the truth.  One of the predictions involved with the
nature of hyperspacial physics is that constants in physics
change.  That seems to be happening.  Nuclear constants are
changing, which means that nuclear plants all over the world,
whether they are sited on the grid or not, are probably running
"hotter" than they should be, which also means that there might
be more accidents.

Q:  Does the world's energy grid extend as high as the radiation
belt around the Earth?

RH: Yes.  Think of a "spider web" around a sphere, decreasing in
density as you move outward.  It is not confined to the surface.
In fact, the moon is within this web, and all the planets are
connected hyperspacially.

Q:  What device does the government use to detect the "echo" from
the hyperdimensional energy grid after a nuclear explosion?

RH: I think we ought to refer that question to Bearden.  They
would generally be looking for scalar electromagnetic radiation.
For a signature.

Q:  Tell us more about hyperdimensional physics.

RH: One of the keys to hyperdimensional physics is rotation.
Bruce DePalma, a physicist, experimented about 20 years ago with
rotation of massive systems.  He did an experiment with a 30-
pound concrete disk spinning at 8,000 rpm, shielded by mu-metal
to prevent EM interference.  Suspended over the disk he had an
Accutron watch.  The Bulova specs say that the watch gains or
loses about 1 second per year.  When Bruce brought the watch
near the disk, it lost 1 second in 20 minutes.  He repeated the
experiment with an FM receiver, tuned to a station.  When the
radio was brought over the spinning concrete disk, the radio de-

Q:  It was affecting the oscillators?

RH: Precisely.  What we are trying to figure out it how the
hyperdimensional model allows for these effects.  It qualitatively
accounts for them, but we are now working on the mathematical
details.  It's a non-Einsteinian, pre-relativistic, hyper-
dimensional physics that affects inertia, mass and gravity. Can
you imagine all the neat things we could do with this in the
public sector?

Q:  If hyperdimensional travel is possible, where are the "hyper-
nauts" visiting in our current time?

RH: You are assuming that they are time travelers.  What I am
saying is that the UFO phenomenon may be the quintessential
demonstration of vehicles, based on hyperdimensional physics,
traveling not only from star systems in this dimension, but from
other dimensions.  Time is basically the "marker" of energy flow
between systems in three dimensions.  If you have a physics
which alters the flow of energy or information into that system,
including biological systems, then you can change the flow of

Q:  What about this alien autopsy film?

RH: Even if the film were a hoax, it would be such a
sophisticated one that it is of significance.  At John Whites
Omega Conference, Linda Howe was reading the transcribed notes
of conversations between Ray Santilli and the photographer who
allegedly took the film.  She read exerpts, and one of the
things that came out was that the alien represented came from a
crash at Socorro, not Roswell (as the media has been saying).
This is why the body didn't look like descriptions of the
Roswell aliens.  In our model, this makes sense, in terms of the
human genome going out to the stars and coming back.  You would
see all sorts of physiological variations return.  When Linda
read the transcript, the photographer described to Santilli that
he had attempted to go inside the spacecraft to take pictures,
and he said he got violently ill.  No one could go inside.  This
is important -- it was a spatial effect.  The cornerstone of
hyperdimensional physics involves spatial effects, and this
would have a significant effect on human biological systems.
This is what I mean by science converging.  There is no way that
Santilli could have made this stuff up.

Q:  What practical application does all of this have?

RH: Creation of an unlimited source of environmentally sound
energy.  I think that's practical.  All important things come
first from ideas.  If you cannot imagine the unthinkable, than
nothing will change.  As an aside, I have a 716 page report
coming to me from Australia that recommends throwing Einstein's
Relativity in the trash can, and returning to pre-Einsteinian
classical Maxwellian 4-space vortex physics.

Q:  What about the Hale-Bopp cometary cluster?  There have been
some interesting photographs taken of this group, some showing a
spiral ...

RH: The spiral is easy to explain, since you have objects that
are rotating and emitting material.  The most interesting point
about Hale-Bopp is the separate chunks.  The only thing that
could cause that is the predominance of the tidal forces of the
Sun over the gravity of the comet.  But, if that's the case, it
means this comet cannot be a multiple visitor to our system --
it has to be a first time visitor, according to celestial
mechanics.  So, how can it have the characteristics of a cluster
with a 3600 year periodicity and be a first-time visitor?
Answer: someone has manipulated the orbit.  This is another data
point in the "somebody is tampering with our heads" model.
Somebody wants us to believe a scenario.

Q:  Somebody has tampered with the orbit of Hale-Bopp?

RH: Yes, but they forgot to tamper with all of it in a way that
would remove the excess particles around it.  Those are now
coming off of it, meaning that it is a primordial object that
has never been in this system before.  It has been nudged into
a trajectory to simulate multiple 3,600 year visits.

[Interesting how the manipulation forces an ostensible
conformity to Sitchen's 3600-year Sumerian "shar"  -d4]

Q:  Do you think that the soul is a form of hyperdimensional
energy, and if so is it possible for the soul to be destroyed?

RH: Speculatively, yes, it would be a form of hyperdimensional
energy.  lnformation is not so easily destroyed.  I have come to
understand that there is a continuum between consciousness and
physics, and that if you look at us as one end of the spectrum,
what makes us different is the consciousness aspect.  If we
learn more about this physics, inevitably we will learn more
about consciousness.

Excerpt from Leading Edge #88
Leading Edge Research Group
P.O. Box 7530,
Yelm, Washington State  98597